--- Log opened Mon Apr 22 00:00:40 2019 20190422 00:24:30-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: wedge009] 20190422 00:25:07-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 01:23:06<+wesdiscordbot> I think maybe you should start with a little extra life as well. Once again playing Ironman and my run is over, this time to level zero bats and rats because of some lower level luck (hit 7/10 times on 40% terrain). Even standing still for a few turns isn't enough when they chase you down from the very start. 20190422 01:23:06<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/569694637196050432/DiD-Descent_into_Darkness_replay.gz 20190422 01:26:39<+wesdiscordbot> you have 60% defense on mushrooms 20190422 01:26:42<+wesdiscordbot> did you account for that? 20190422 01:37:04<+wesdiscordbot> I couldn't get to any. I healed for three turns, started moving and a Blood Bat (so I guess level 1, not zero) came out of the fog and hit me three times in a row which did 18 damage, setting me to 7 (would have been 1 if I hadn't been healing). 20190422 01:37:12<+wesdiscordbot> Not much I could do from there. 20190422 01:37:24<+wesdiscordbot> And again, all of this is on the lowest difficulty. 20190422 01:39:00<+wesdiscordbot> okay 20190422 01:39:03<+wesdiscordbot> I'll give you more hp 20190422 01:41:58<+wesdiscordbot> feel free to start with 33 HP as the lich 20190422 01:42:12<+wesdiscordbot> or do you want more? 20190422 01:43:01<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks. Or you could change that first Blood Bat to a regular old Vampire Bat. Or the enemies could remain stationary until the first one is spotted. 20190422 01:43:28<+wesdiscordbot> there are 3 rats and 2 bats on easy mode 20190422 01:43:36<+wesdiscordbot> I made it 2 bats and 2 rats, you now start with 33 hp 20190422 01:44:15<+wesdiscordbot> I could even make it 1 bat 🤔 20190422 01:45:23<+wesdiscordbot> I mean, when I played it through before and got hit by the spider I had no trouble up until that point (even with the Dread Bat), I think it's just that initial part when you first make your way across the bridge. 20190422 01:45:53<+wesdiscordbot> I think it just needs a little more consistency at the very beginning. 20190422 01:46:54<+wesdiscordbot> For all the difficulties. It really shouldn't be a forced no strategy roll at the very start that decides the whole outcome of the run. 20190422 01:47:14<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not sure why you're dying that quickly because I played it multiple times 20190422 01:47:21<+wesdiscordbot> and had no trouble at the start each time 20190422 01:47:40<+wesdiscordbot> but I'll reduce the bats to 1, 2, or 3 on difficulty 20190422 01:47:55<+wesdiscordbot> well, maybe 1 or 2 20190422 01:48:05<+wesdiscordbot> Also, @Yumi, I hope that I don't sound like a downer. I really do enjoy the edits you've made. Just trying to make it better, ya know? 20190422 01:48:07<+wesdiscordbot> and the rats are 2 or 3, rats will only have 3 moves (the ones that chase you) 20190422 01:48:21<+wesdiscordbot> that should be enough I hope 20190422 01:48:31<+wesdiscordbot> I hope I can add in a first-time player perspective that you might miss running through again and again to test balance. 20190422 01:48:50<+wesdiscordbot> right, I'm the one who wrote the scenario so obvs I already know how to play it 20190422 01:49:02<+wesdiscordbot> playtesters didn't complain, but anyway it doesn't hurt to make this part easier 20190422 01:49:06<+wesdiscordbot> no point in having it be so hard 20190422 01:49:21-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190422 01:49:34<+wesdiscordbot> I really hope I'm not coming across poorly. :/ 20190422 01:49:41<+wesdiscordbot> I know I can be dry in my writing. 20190422 01:49:56<+wesdiscordbot> And that comes across as accusatory and negative sometimes. 20190422 01:50:38<+wesdiscordbot> ur okay 20190422 01:51:01-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 01:51:21<+wesdiscordbot> so yeah 20190422 01:51:25<+wesdiscordbot> use debug if you need to 20190422 01:51:52<+wesdiscordbot> unless you want me to give you the updated scenario file 20190422 01:52:20<+wesdiscordbot> I'm good. It's definitely my favorite campaign so I don't mind playing through it again. 20190422 01:52:27<+wesdiscordbot> Thank you though. 20190422 01:52:30<+wesdiscordbot> mk 20190422 01:52:42-!- irker428 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190422 01:53:23<+wesdiscordbot> yeah people complain about how hard my campaign is all the time, so I'm def. wrong all the time about how hard I make things 20190422 01:54:22<+wesdiscordbot> I think I said it when I mentioned Northern Rebirth, but there's no shame in difficulty. It's only a problem when it feels unfair or like something you couldn't do anything about. 20190422 01:54:47<+wesdiscordbot> I have this thing where I just throw a ton of tomatoes at you 20190422 01:54:53<+wesdiscordbot> and I don't write clear objectives 20190422 01:55:21<+wesdiscordbot> and also iris can tell you about the original version of one of my scenarios where more than half the map was filled with demons.... 20190422 01:55:22<+wesdiscordbot> 😂 20190422 01:59:07<+wesdiscordbot> Also, I think I'm probably in the lower tear of skill anyway. Every time I've played Heir to the Throne I struggle with The Siege of Elensefar. My friend who plays a lot strategy-type games of a similar genre apparently had no trouble at all with the campaign. 20190422 01:59:40<+wesdiscordbot> wesnoth is not an easy game, but I think it should be more accessible in SP, esp on easier modes 20190422 01:59:48<+wesdiscordbot> so I have no problem making it easier 20190422 02:04:13-!- irker949 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 02:04:13< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 nemaara 9e0cf4108b Add UtBS update to changelog AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190422 03:28:45< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:master nemaara 605c1aef80 Add UtBS update to changelog AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190422 03:30:19< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 nemaara c68f6233d8 Add DiD fix to changelog AppVeyor: vs2015/Debug Failed 20190422 03:30:20< irker949> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/builds/24006791 20190422 03:51:49< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 doofus-01 ca26d429c3 adding wolf portraits (#4041) AppVeyor: 1/4 builds failed 20190422 03:51:50< irker949> Details vs2015/Release: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/builds/24005475 20190422 04:43:54-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20190422 05:07:49-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 05:33:22-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190422 05:49:44-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 05:55:41-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190422 06:29:08< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:master doofus-01 12dbdf2d08 adding wolf portraits (#4042) AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190422 06:51:51-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 07:08:17-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 08:30:21< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 nemaara c68f6233d8 Add DiD fix to changelog AppVeyor: 1/4 builds failed 20190422 08:30:22< irker949> Details vs2015/Debug: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/builds/24006791 20190422 08:35:06<+wesdiscordbot> wedge009 DM, S1, typo: enrol -> enroll (Unless GB english is weirder than I thought.) 20190422 08:43:08-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190422 10:25:59< wedge009> Konrad2: Don't say weird. Just because American is 'standard' in the Anglosphere doesn't make British 'weird'. 20190422 10:26:04< wedge009> Enrol is correct. 20190422 10:30:35< irker949> wesnoth/wesnoth:master nemaara 34144afd47 Add DiD fix to changelog AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190422 10:36:14<+wesdiscordbot> Hm, but I still think that 'weird' is correct. Or can you agree more with 'odd'? 20190422 11:23:14< wedge009> No, just because you are accustomed to one dialect doesn't make another dialect 'weird', 'odd', or less valid. 20190422 11:42:42-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celmin|away 20190422 11:56:00-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 12:05:50<+wesdiscordbot> The clouds move when scrolling in haldric 20190422 12:05:51<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/569856381625171978/haldric_clouds.mp4 20190422 12:06:30<+wesdiscordbot> I think thats a bit confusing 20190422 12:12:04<+wesdiscordbot> I'm sorry, but I don't see the relation between 'weird/odd' and 'less valid'. 20190422 12:12:19<+wesdiscordbot> Or rather, I don't see a relation. 20190422 12:12:26< wedge009> What is your native language? 20190422 12:36:46< celmin|away> Just checked Wiktionary, looked like enrol is indeed correct. 20190422 12:37:08< celmin|away> ^looks 20190422 12:37:21< celmin|away> I don't know how I typoed the tense. 20190422 12:37:42< wedge009> I do that as well, it's fine. 20190422 12:38:04< wedge009> Wiktionary isn't perfect either, there's still some American bias there. 20190422 12:38:16< celmin|away> Could be partly because S and D are adjacent but that doesn't explain the added E. :P 20190422 12:38:44< wedge009> If I'm thinking something else to what I'm writing, I can mix the two. 20190422 12:38:59< celmin|away> Maybe there's American bias, but I find it's usually pretty good at documenting not only alternate spellings but even common misspellings. 20190422 12:39:16< celmin|away> At least if you specifically search the alternate spelling. 20190422 12:39:30< wedge009> It's improving. 20190422 12:39:35< celmin|away> I didn't check if the page for "enroll" mentions the alternate spelling. 20190422 12:40:04< wedge009> But that's my point. Why is one thing considered 'standard' and another 'alternate'? Why do some people consider 'alternate' spellings 'weird' or 'odd'? :/ 20190422 12:41:09< wedge009> (There are some cases where there are genuinely alternate spellings, but I consider that separate from dialectic differences.) 20190422 12:48:21<+wesdiscordbot> because as an american, we don't spell it "enrol". I have never in my life seen it spelled that way. So to me, it's weird to see the word spelled like that. 20190422 12:49:12< wedge009> ~sigh~ Is there just no awareness of things outside America? I might consider American spelling 'weird' too, but I don't say that to people. 20190422 12:50:25<+wesdiscordbot> I would expect you to think it's weird. 20190422 12:51:30<+wesdiscordbot> if a word is spelled one way in one place and another way in another place, I'd expect the people of either place to think the other spelling is weird. 20190422 12:51:47< celmin|away> "tyre" 20190422 12:53:34< wedge009> But I don't - at least not all the time - because I have an awareness of dialectic differences and understand, at least some of the time, the causes for those differences. 20190422 12:54:32< celmin|away> "curbstones" 20190422 12:55:02< wedge009> Maybe I'm taking 'weird' to mean 'inferior' when it's not necessarily meant as such. In that case, I apologise. Perhaps all that is necessary to say is 'I don't recognise that, that's not how it's spelled in the States'. 20190422 12:55:24< wedge009> I actually don't know either curbstones or curb stones - what are they? 20190422 12:55:42< celmin|away> The edge of the sidewalk/pavement 20190422 12:55:55< celmin|away> But apparently spelled differently in GB 20190422 12:56:01< wedge009> I just say kerb. 20190422 12:56:13< celmin|away> Yeah the curb is made of curbstones basically. 20190422 12:56:20< wedge009> Haven't called them stones. 20190422 12:56:27< celmin|away> Fair enough. 20190422 12:56:45< celmin|away> I don't think "weird' inherently has a meaning of "inferior". 20190422 12:57:32< celmin|away> But it does definitely have a meaning of "abnormal", and jumping from there to "inferior" is understandable if perhaps not entirely accurate. 20190422 12:57:36< wedge009> Perhaps not, but the way it's used I got that impression. 'Oh hey, this spelling looks wrong! Or is it just weird?' 20190422 12:58:41< wedge009> Unusual for one perspective. And I understand that. All right. As long as people don't mean to say weird == wrong/inferior, then that's fine. Obviously I took offence to something that wasn't intended. 20190422 12:59:51< wedge009> Am I to understand Pentarctagon and celmin are both from US English backgrounds? 20190422 13:00:13< celmin|away> I wouldn't exactly call my background US English. 20190422 13:00:33< celmin|away> But it's close enough I guess. 20190422 13:00:34< wedge009> I wouldn't have thought so - I thought you had quite a good grasp on various English dialects. 20190422 13:00:47< celmin|away> Well, I did live in Britan for three years... 20190422 13:00:53< celmin|away> Ack typoes 20190422 13:00:56< celmin|away> ^Britain 20190422 13:01:09< wedge009> Ah, that explains the awareness. 20190422 13:01:22< wedge009> Funnily enough I still read that as Britain. 20190422 13:01:23< celmin|away> That plus I've an interest in this stuff. 20190422 13:02:04< wedge009> Explains your literary skill. I think you probably know more than I do when it comes to grammar and such. 20190422 13:04:01< wedge009> Now that I think about it, being a much older country (in terms of European settlement) UK has a lot of roads where the kerb is made of separate stones. In Sydney, at least, the kerb is usually one solid chunk of concrete. 20190422 13:04:49< celmin|away> ...wait, isn't that Australia 20190422 13:05:03 * celmin|away actually needs to go now tho 20190422 13:05:09< wedge009> Yes, Sydney in Australia. 20190422 13:05:16< wedge009> Ah, wondered why you were marked as 'away'. 20190422 13:05:27< celmin|away> Yeah I was marked away because I would be leaving soon. 20190422 13:05:35< celmin|away> Just nick-changed early so I didn't forget. 20190422 13:05:50< wedge009> Fare thee well. Guessing you're just starting your Easter Monday. 20190422 13:30:53-!- irker949 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190422 14:02:10-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 14:39:31-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190422 16:13:33-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 20:02:17<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz and probably @Iris : I uploaded fixed package for 1.14.7 . Link on wesnoth.org was broken btw... Link targets https : //sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth-1.14/wesnoth-1.14.6/Wesnoth_1.14.7.dmg/download New package is has this direct link: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth-1.14/wesnoth-1.14.7/Wesnoth_1.14.7a.dmg/download 20190422 20:04:50<+wesdiscordbot> @Iris please deploy that asap ^ 20190422 20:05:20<+wesdiscordbot> And btw sorry about that. It was primary my fault 😦 20190422 20:05:29<+wesdiscordbot> no problem 20190422 20:05:42<+wesdiscordbot> crap happens 20190422 20:06:03<+wesdiscordbot> I'm more surprised no-one found out earlier that I messed up the URL prefix 20190422 20:06:57<+wesdiscordbot> I believe that many macOS users moved to steam and Mac AppStore release system 20190422 20:07:13<+wesdiscordbot> I'm really busy right now so I wish vultraz has updated the macOS link 20190422 20:07:26<+wesdiscordbot> shit 20190422 20:07:26<+wesdiscordbot> *had 20190422 20:07:35<+wesdiscordbot> 1sec 20190422 20:07:56<+wesdiscordbot> and rest of the users haven't noticed the new release yet 😄 20190422 20:08:17<+wesdiscordbot> what's the reason for the revision anyway? 20190422 20:09:27<+wesdiscordbot> the previous version was accidentally linked against TouchBar SDK which doesn't exist in pre-macOS 10.12 systems. 20190422 20:10:37<+wesdiscordbot> I am trying to implement TouchBar support into Wesnoth. (without luck so far) 20190422 20:10:57<+wesdiscordbot> @Iris updated forum post and the wiki 20190422 20:13:01-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190422 20:14:41<+wesdiscordbot> Frontpage is up I'll deal with the release notes later 20190422 20:16:33<+wesdiscordbot> Is this where we report bugs? Landar's death event as a hero still fires when I kill him in the last scenario 20190422 20:17:21<+wesdiscordbot> best to report bugs on our github issue tracker: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/ 20190422 20:25:52<+wesdiscordbot> Done 20190422 20:31:05<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi Thinking about it more, I think the reason playtesters didn't have trouble in the Decent into Darkness scenario is because it's super easy to just roll back a couple of turns if you end up having bad luck. 20190422 20:31:28<+wesdiscordbot> You have a single unit and strategy can be easily changed just moving one guy around. 20190422 20:32:02<+wesdiscordbot> Playing "ironman" is an artificial handicap that means making an already tough scenario tougher. 20190422 20:32:37<+wesdiscordbot> So I have a special sensitivity to difficulty, especially when it comes in an unexpected or uncontrollable fashion. 20190422 20:39:12<+wesdiscordbot> 🤷 20190422 20:39:24<+wesdiscordbot> but like I said that part's not supposed to be hard anyway 20190422 20:39:33<+wesdiscordbot> the boss fight might be a bit difficult, but not those dumb bats lol 20190422 21:00:33-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190422 21:26:25-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190422 21:56:11-!- Ravana [~Ravana@wesnoth/mp-mod/ravana] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20190422 21:56:42-!- Ravana [~Ravana@wesnoth/mp-mod/ravana] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 21:58:46-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190422 22:00:14-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 22:12:59-!- Elvish_H1 [~elvish_hu@wesnoth/developer/elvish-hunter] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 22:13:09-!- oldlaptop_ [~quassel@45.63.78.126] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 22:14:03-!- ec2-user [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 22:16:33-!- Elvish_Hunter [~elvish_hu@wesnoth/developer/elvish-hunter] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190422 22:16:33-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@45.63.78.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190422 22:16:34-!- galegosimpatico [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190422 23:43:28-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190422 23:43:37-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190422 23:51:57 * celmin|away wonders what wedge009 meant 20190422 23:52:10< wedge009> Hmm? 20190422 23:52:13< wedge009> Back already? 20190422 23:52:52-!- celmin|away is now known as celticminstrel 20190422 23:53:04< celticminstrel> What do you meant already? It's been like 10 hours? 20190422 23:53:30< celticminstrel> Why wouldn't I be back? 20190422 23:53:33< celticminstrel> ^mean 20190422 23:53:48< wedge009> Had a bad sleep, feels like a lot less. Anyway, 'I gotta go' -> I thought you were going away for a holiday or something. 20190422 23:53:58< celticminstrel> No it was work 20190422 23:54:16< wedge009> On a public holiday? Or Easter isn't a holiday where you are? 20190422 23:54:24< celticminstrel> Nope, only Good Friday 20190422 23:55:04< wedge009> Ah, fair enough. And makes more sense in my opinion. May I know what country is that? (Only if you're comfortable sharing.) 20190422 23:55:09< celticminstrel> ca 20190422 23:55:21< wedge009> Canada? 20190422 23:55:27 * celticminstrel nod 20190422 23:55:47< wedge009> Ah, should have realised. Bilingual? 20190422 23:55:57< celticminstrel> Sadly not really. 20190422 23:56:05< celticminstrel> I mean I can kinda somewhat understand written French, but... 20190422 23:56:07< wedge009> No worries. I wish I was. 20190422 23:57:06< wedge009> Have a good rest - I've just started my work day. 20190422 23:57:14< celticminstrel> Fun 20190422 23:57:21< wedge009> Tuesday. --- Log closed Tue Apr 23 00:00:41 2019