--- Log opened Wed Apr 24 00:00:42 2019 20190424 01:42:40-!- irker021 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 01:42:41< irker021> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Nils Kneuper dfa730575c updated Ukrainian translation AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190424 02:21:00< wedge009> Isn't there a 1.14.8 marker in GitHub? 20190424 02:23:06< wedge009> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/milestone/17 20190424 02:24:04<+wesdiscordbot> I guess that doesn't necessarily mean we have to have a 1.14.8 tho 20190424 02:24:14< wedge009> Sure, but just making sure it's not forgotten. 20190424 02:33:48<+wesdiscordbot> We might have 1.14.8 20190424 02:33:52<+wesdiscordbot> I just see no immediate need for it 20190424 02:34:14<+wesdiscordbot> maybe in a month or two once we have more bug fixes 20190424 02:34:25<+wesdiscordbot> in the meantime we can just push translations 20190424 02:34:26<+wesdiscordbot> to steam 20190424 02:52:55< celticminstrel> IMO if a month or two goes by and there's a lot of translation updates, that by itself would be a reason to make a new release. 20190424 02:56:19<+wesdiscordbot> we'll see 20190424 03:12:00-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190424 03:40:26< wedge009> Sounds reasonable. 20190424 04:05:39< irker021> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Nils Kneuper 406cf39d8f updated Ukrainian translation AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190424 05:02:25-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 05:26:03<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz : Apple’s guidelines are really strict. As I already pushed wesnoth version 1 .14.7, I can’t publish another build of same version. I have to bunp the version number. That’s the reason why I can’t update Mac AppStore release. Also I can’t use version 1.14.7.1, because apple requires (I don’t know how to call it) versioning system with 3 integers 20190424 05:26:22<+wesdiscordbot> you can't do 1.14.7a? 20190424 05:27:58<+wesdiscordbot> 3 integers, but the fact is, that I haven’t tried this “combination” IIRC. I’ll try it to be sure. 20190424 05:29:17<+wesdiscordbot> @hrubymar10 you can always do 1.14.71 20190424 05:29:27<+wesdiscordbot> No 20190424 05:29:31<+wesdiscordbot> 1.14.71 > 1.14.8 20190424 05:29:46<+wesdiscordbot> wut 20190424 05:29:57<+wesdiscordbot> 1 == 1, 14 == 14, 71 > 8 20190424 05:30:03<+wesdiscordbot> Iris is correct 20190424 05:30:11<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20190424 05:30:24<+wesdiscordbot> Don't give me a :thonk:, you should be able to see this 20190424 05:30:28<+wesdiscordbot> I would have assumed the version check went by decimal rules. 20190424 05:30:34<+wesdiscordbot> It doesn't 20190424 05:30:51<+wesdiscordbot> In particular not Wesnoth's (but most platforms follow similar rules as Wesnoth's) 20190424 05:31:09<+wesdiscordbot> bleh 20190424 05:31:14<+wesdiscordbot> (e.g. Debian's dpkg will scold you for trying to downgrade a package from version 1.14.71 to 1.14.8) 20190424 05:32:42<+wesdiscordbot> I'd strongly recommend that you allow @hrubymar10 to upload the revised build as 1.14.8 and bump the production version to 1.14.9 20190424 05:33:00<+wesdiscordbot> Or rather 1.14.8+dev 20190424 05:33:19<+wesdiscordbot> alrught 20190424 05:33:31<+wesdiscordbot> @hrubymar10 please do that 20190424 05:33:33<+wesdiscordbot> If people decide that not having an official 1.14.8 for all platforms is bad I will fight them 20190424 05:33:55<+wesdiscordbot> Also shame on Apple 20190424 05:33:56<+wesdiscordbot> Can we try 1.14.7a first? 20190424 05:34:09<+wesdiscordbot> You said integers, 7a is not an integer,* it's a string 20190424 05:34:27<+wesdiscordbot> (* unless you interpret the 'a' as a hexadecimal digit, in which case it's a really big number) 20190424 05:34:53<+wesdiscordbot> You can try if it's not too much trouble but I don't expect the outcome to be positive 20190424 05:35:08<+wesdiscordbot> Correct... Apple nearly cries that Mac AppStore is empty, but his own requirements are so problematic, that devs better release their apps outside appstore 20190424 05:35:31<+wesdiscordbot> Is it really not used much? 20190424 05:36:52<+wesdiscordbot> For games? No it’s not used much 20190424 05:37:12<+wesdiscordbot> Besides to make knock offs and clones of the few successful ones on their 20190424 05:37:18<+wesdiscordbot> isn't Apple planning on combining the mac and ios app stores? 20190424 05:37:25<+wesdiscordbot> Well wesnoth was marked as about 140th best strategy game after first release at Mac AppStore... (so there was 2downloads at max) 20190424 05:37:44<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz : yes he is 20190424 05:37:52<+wesdiscordbot> Apple is not a person btw :p 20190424 05:37:59<+wesdiscordbot> So you can't call them "he" or "she 20190424 05:38:27<+wesdiscordbot> Might be taking about the head honcho 20190424 05:38:37<+wesdiscordbot> In our language is apple marked as “he” person 😃 20190424 05:38:41<+wesdiscordbot> I doubt Tim Cook has any idea about this 20190424 05:38:47<+wesdiscordbot> So I should use it? 20190424 05:38:50<+wesdiscordbot> Correct? 20190424 05:39:20<+wesdiscordbot> English speakers tend to go with one of two interpretations: the company as a collective of people who work at it (they/them), or the company as a singular non-human entity (it/its) 20190424 05:39:37<+wesdiscordbot> ^ 20190424 05:40:01<+wesdiscordbot> "they" is also sometimes used in the singular case here too 20190424 05:41:02<+wesdiscordbot> they/them are the de facto gender neutral singular pronouns, yeah, but in this case the point of contention is the company's status as an abstract hive-minded entity 20190424 05:42:24<+wesdiscordbot> Sometimes it's useful to emphasize that a company is actually comprised of multiple people, but most of the time people opt for addressing it as you would a nonsentient entity 20190424 05:42:58-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20190424 05:43:05<+wesdiscordbot> basically, yeah 20190424 05:45:02<+wesdiscordbot> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/information_property_list/cfbundleshortversionstring?language=objc 20190424 05:45:38<+wesdiscordbot> they say The required format is three period-separated integers, such as 10.14.1. The string can only contain numeric characters (0-9) and periods. 20190424 05:45:46<+wesdiscordbot> ok 20190424 05:45:48<+wesdiscordbot> do 1.14.8 then 20190424 05:46:34<+wesdiscordbot> so 1.14.8 will be available just for macOS users and next official version will be 1.14.9 ? 20190424 05:47:01<+wesdiscordbot> yes 20190424 05:47:33<+wesdiscordbot> ok, I'll do it asap 20190424 05:48:23<+wesdiscordbot> You may want to make sure to bump the version in the source as well @hrubymar10, not just the macOS-specific parts of the packaging 20190424 05:49:06<+wesdiscordbot> Otherwise I'd expect some of the people that download the mac app store version to complain that they got 1.14.8 but the game believes itself to be 1.14.7 still 20190424 05:53:09<+wesdiscordbot> yes 20190424 05:54:15<+wesdiscordbot> just wesconfig.h ? 20190424 05:55:41<+wesdiscordbot> uhhh yeah that's the one that matters 20190424 05:55:52<+wesdiscordbot> set both 1.14.7 strings to 1.14.8 there 20190424 06:21:24-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: wedge009] 20190424 06:48:15< irker021> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Charles Dang 2cf130cfee We 1.14.8+dev now AppVeyor: vs2015/Release Failed 20190424 06:48:16< irker021> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/builds/24061005 20190424 07:00:42-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 07:22:47-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 07:50:08< irker021> wesnoth/wesnoth:master nemaara 57273a0e57 Add TSG fix to changelog AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190424 08:12:48< wedge009> I missed the discussion about the Apple version. I don't know anything about it, so this may be a 'dumb' question but why can't we pull the existing 1.14.7 version if it's broken? 20190424 08:13:09< wedge009> Also 1.14.71 > 1.14.8 - think of it as 1.14.08 :/ 20190424 08:17:21< wedge009> So 1.14.7a didn't work. Bleh on Apple. ): 20190424 08:55:32-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190424 10:08:39< irker021> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 nemaara a9cd20507d Add TSG fix to changelog AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190424 10:38:57-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 11:33:01-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 11:48:15< irker021> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Charles Dang 2cf130cfee We 1.14.8+dev now AppVeyor: 1/4 builds failed 20190424 11:48:16< irker021> Details vs2015/Release: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/builds/24061005 20190424 12:31:37-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 12:39:34<+wesdiscordbot> I've been gone for a long time, but... what happened to the master branch? git pull caused merge conflicts on a clean master 20190424 12:41:23<+wesdiscordbot> also, is the irc bridge still up? Last time I was on IRC the channels were empty 20190424 12:42:51<+wesdiscordbot> the bridge is still up. 20190424 12:46:13<+wesdiscordbot> as for the conflicts, it would probably be from https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/3603 20190424 12:55:00<+wesdiscordbot> okay, so master had to be discarded because it became crap? What happened in it? 20190424 12:57:35<+wesdiscordbot> there was an attempt to implement accelerated rendering, which was merged before it was fully completed and then months of other commits piled up on it. 20190424 12:58:17<+wesdiscordbot> sounds like the t_token stuff I reverted 20190424 12:58:26<+wesdiscordbot> that was 'fun' 20190424 12:59:42< celticminstrel> t_token? 20190424 12:59:45<+wesdiscordbot> it's also part of the reason the godot version is being attempted. 20190424 12:59:49-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|away 20190424 13:00:29<+wesdiscordbot> I believe 'thonsew' decided to start replacing the type of all short and common strings from std::string to t_token, which would then be internally represented by an integer, and be a lot faster 20190424 13:00:53< celmin|away> Oh yeah, I suppose it could be faster but... 20190424 13:01:13< celmin|away> If you wanna do that you kinda really need to do it from the beginning I guess? 20190424 13:01:14<+wesdiscordbot> the problem is that he started this conversion on trunk (back on svn), working bit by bit, there was never a clear boundary between the two, and bugs showed up essentially everywhere 20190424 13:02:20<+wesdiscordbot> after a while, development ground to a halt because nobody could test the stuff they were working on 20190424 13:02:34< celmin|away> Sounds familiar. 20190424 13:04:52< celmin|away> Pentarctagon, feel free to merge 4017 20190424 14:00:54<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz Wesnoth 1.14.8 for macOS is up 20190424 14:01:22<+wesdiscordbot> up everywhere (SF, Steam and Mac AppStore) 20190424 14:06:54-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190424 14:21:44-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 14:48:31-!- irker021 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190424 16:02:32-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190424 16:14:34-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190424 16:14:54-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 16:25:18-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 16:28:33<+wesdiscordbot> already? 20190424 16:33:25-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190424 19:58:05<+wesdiscordbot> @VYNLT just s fixed 1.14.7 Mac package 20190424 19:59:03<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20190424 20:00:05-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 20:00:28<+wesdiscordbot> I assumed you would only update the MAS package 😐 20190424 20:01:01<+wesdiscordbot> Now people on Steam are going to be like "wHerE is 1.14.8 FOr wInDOwS" 20190424 20:16:33<+wesdiscordbot> So to you people who complain about stuff like that sound like Gamzee Makara? 😛 20190424 20:43:42<+wesdiscordbot> https://tenor.com/view/miracles-gamzee-mybb-honk-hi-gif-7422829 20190424 20:44:22<+wesdiscordbot> btw he got satisfying ending in epilogue 😛 20190424 20:45:08<+wesdiscordbot> but no redemption arc 😛 20190424 20:50:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190424 22:07:29-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190424 22:53:50-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 23:13:14-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190424 23:13:20-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 23:29:47-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190424 23:32:25-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 23:35:00-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190424 23:35:55-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 23:45:30-!- aeth_ [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190424 23:46:30-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190424 23:49:15-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190424 23:54:02-!- celmin|away [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20190424 23:54:19-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Thu Apr 25 00:00:28 2019