--- Log opened Wed Apr 10 00:00:10 2019 20190410 00:08:01-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20190410 02:30:51-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190410 05:11:54-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20190410 05:46:55-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190410 07:00:58<+wesdiscordbot> @Celtic_Minstrel - Would you able to discuss the DF adding to mainline at some point? 20190410 10:42:53-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20190410 12:15:41-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20190410 12:37:15<+wesdiscordbot> you mean the changes? I'm pretty sure the DF themselves are already in mainline. 20190410 13:03:40-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|away 20190410 15:30:39<+wesdiscordbot> @The_Gnat celmin's also not on discord, so you can't ping him here 20190410 15:30:49<+wesdiscordbot> like that 20190410 15:58:57<+wesdiscordbot> i have an idea for an UMC, how about sort of a reverse mainline campaign? obviously gonna start with Heir to the Throne if i do it since its the central campaign in mainline as far as i know 20190410 15:59:13<+wesdiscordbot> would it be allowed? just wondering 20190410 16:19:11<+wesdiscordbot> It's not disallowed by the rules or the license 20190410 16:22:05<+wesdiscordbot> ah, so i can do a readaptation of a mainline campaign with changed/reversed things 20190410 16:22:18<+wesdiscordbot> (of course, with credits to the ones who made the original campaign) 20190410 19:16:13<+wesdiscordbot> think imma call it Usurper To The Throne if that's gramatically correct 20190410 19:17:18<+wesdiscordbot> Usurper Of The Throne might be better. 20190410 19:18:31<+wesdiscordbot> mkay 20190410 19:19:02<+wesdiscordbot> now, in terms of reversing the roles, what do you think i should do? Have Konrad and Delfador be the bad guys and focus on them as they take the throne from a benevolent Asheviere? 20190410 19:19:11<+wesdiscordbot> or focus on Asheviere instead as she defends it? 20190410 19:21:09<+wesdiscordbot> or have Konrad and Delfador be the good guys on the throne with Asheviere being the evil usurper 20190410 19:23:44< zookeeper> i can't really tell what the intent is. random lolz or some kind of serious alternate perspective? 20190410 19:25:14<+wesdiscordbot> basically, reversed allignments or roles 20190410 19:25:34<+wesdiscordbot> like, Konrad and Delfador are the bad guys, Asheviere is good 20190410 19:25:48<+wesdiscordbot> and im wondering what kind of reversal should i do 20190410 19:26:04< zookeeper> yes, that's clear. what's not is what the tone is supposed to be, silly or serious. 20190410 19:26:09<+wesdiscordbot> oh, serious 20190410 19:26:34<+wesdiscordbot> its a serious idea, and i honestly do think it will be better for a newcomer in campaign development 20190410 19:27:01< zookeeper> oh, okay. then you could keep the campaign mostly as-is but turn it into an evil campaign by changing just the dialogue (and maybe some things here and there). the true story of how those guys rampaged across half the world in claiming the throne they didn't have any right to begin with. 20190410 19:27:09<+wesdiscordbot> (i have a much more original idea in mind, to the point where it doesnt even take place in the Wesnoth universe, but since theres a lot to stuff to develop for it, i was thinking of going for something simpler) 20190410 19:27:38<+wesdiscordbot> maybe 20190410 19:27:50<+wesdiscordbot> maybe i can even switch their positions in missions, like, take the first mission 20190410 19:28:10<+wesdiscordbot> instead of escaping from the elven forest with the help of the elves, they attack it with the help of the orcs 20190410 19:28:31<+wesdiscordbot> (might make Delfador be partnered up with the orcs in this alternate perspective, since, y'know, Delfador is evil now lol) 20190410 19:29:47<+wesdiscordbot> instead of Merfolk helping out, you get Naga, and so on 20190410 19:31:37<+wesdiscordbot> anyways i gtg to sleep, if anyone's got any more questions or suggestions, feel free to tag me, dm me, or just write them here (and ill tag you tommorow in my responses) 20190410 19:31:55< zookeeper> the premise of what you want doesn't really make sense if you ask me, but if you want it to be serious then the only way i see is would be to present the canon HttT narrative as whitewashed propaganda. which you can do by directly distorting HttT content, or by telling a slightly separate story, or something in between. 20190410 19:40:20<+wesdiscordbot> @Pentarctagon "I'm pretty sure the DF themselves are already in mainline." ;) @Yumi "@The_Gnat celmin's also not on discord, so you can't ping him here" - okay thanks! I will message him on the forum 20190410 20:26:13<+wesdiscordbot> he sees your messages tsill 20190410 20:26:28<+wesdiscordbot> you just need to refer to him as celmin or celticminstrel, just saying his name will ping him on irc 20190410 20:26:59<+wesdiscordbot> might be a question for #development as well 20190410 20:27:06<+wesdiscordbot> discussion* 20190410 20:29:45<+wesdiscordbot> @The_Gnat I may have some things I'd also like after seeing your final version of the dunefolk, but so far it seems like you guys have been doing a good job on the rework, so not too much for me to say 20190410 21:53:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190410 21:55:12-!- gfgtdf [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20190410 22:12:31<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi - Thaanks 20190410 22:12:45<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah the rework has gone really well 20190410 22:12:52<+wesdiscordbot> It has taken quite a while though 20190410 22:13:40<+wesdiscordbot> I would say it is now nearly finalized which is why I planned on asking celticminstrel about creating a pull request for the changes 20190410 22:14:09<+wesdiscordbot> (also if you have any comments or suggestions they would definitely be welcome!) 20190410 22:19:16<+wesdiscordbot> right, if celmin or pentarctagon dont want to handle merging your pr, I can 20190410 22:19:46<+wesdiscordbot> and I can commit some extra unit descriptions after your pr is merged 20190410 22:19:56<+wesdiscordbot> or edits or whatnot 20190410 22:26:02-!- gfgtdf [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190410 22:32:16<+wesdiscordbot> Quick question. Are there any good add-ons to look at for a newbie modder like myself? 20190410 23:17:02<+wesdiscordbot> for what kind of mod 20190410 23:46:15<+wesdiscordbot> I'm planning on making a alternative history ww1 thing. 20190410 23:47:15<+wesdiscordbot> With major steampunk elements as well as stealth and squad base actions. 20190410 23:50:23<+wesdiscordbot> so a faction? 20190410 23:51:27<+wesdiscordbot> I guess try looking at some of the smaller eras/factions 20190410 23:51:51<+wesdiscordbot> like deep elves, era of myths, or any of the default + __ eras 20190410 23:56:28< celmin|away> FTR I only see your messages when I'm actually logged in. 20190410 23:56:44< celmin|away> So even just saying my name is not guaranteed to catch my attention. 20190410 23:58:11<+wesdiscordbot> ~_~ --- Log closed Thu Apr 11 00:00:05 2019