--- Log opened Fri Apr 05 00:00:03 2019 20190405 00:32:55-!- madmax28_ [~madmax28@2001-4dd6-c936-0-ba27-ebff-febc-e0cb.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 00:33:53-!- madmax28 [~madmax28@2001-4dd6-dec2-0-ba27-ebff-febc-e0cb.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190405 00:39:36<+wesdiscordbot> kk 20190405 03:50:09-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190405 04:58:16-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 05:55:19-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190405 06:29:44-!- shinou_ [~shinounet@2a01:cb14:82ab:e500:8fe3:a6b:7962:a90] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 06:31:16-!- jemadux [jemaduxmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qthqpigtkbjncqrp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 06:43:48-!- loonycyborg_ [loonycybor@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 08:19:28-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 09:33:17-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 09:53:41-!- loonycyborg_ [loonycybor@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 10:04:47-!- loonycyborg_ [loonycybor@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 10:36:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 11:12:45-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190405 11:34:24-!- shinou_ [~shinounet@2a01:cb14:82ab:e500:8fe3:a6b:7962:a90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 11:47:39-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 11:57:07-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 12:03:07-!- ToBeFree [ToBeFree@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190405 12:05:10-!- ToBeFree [ToBeFree@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 12:10:17-!- ToBeFree [ToBeFree@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20190405 12:10:30-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 12:11:58-!- ToBeFree [ToBeFree@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 12:28:39-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|away 20190405 13:58:18-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 14:05:31-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 14:06:04-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190405 14:07:58-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 14:10:53-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190405 14:29:39-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 14:38:42-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190405 15:47:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 16:04:17<+wesdiscordbot> for y'all on irc, dunno if you can tell when a user changes their name on discord - but in case irc doesn't show that, this is not hamel/hamel, changed my name on discord. 20190405 16:07:50<+wesdiscordbot> btw, just notes for the future, occasionnnally my B,N and ? keys don't cooperate well, so I might have some extra bs and ns in words occasionally,due to me having to press harder for them to work. 20190405 16:54:35-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 16:54:57-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 16:59:27-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190405 17:32:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190405 18:00:09<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUioi7jhBFs I put my 100% no-tutorial blind run up on youtube btw for anyone who's interested 20190405 18:01:01<+wesdiscordbot> this sort of thing is a great way to find out how intuitive a game is, you can see my confusion about the pre-planned movement lol (I literally thought my units were being "cursed" or something) 20190405 18:57:09<+wesdiscordbot> you gonna play UMCs sometime? @Rose 20190405 18:57:24<+wesdiscordbot> probably 20190405 18:57:39<+wesdiscordbot> are they less rage-inducing than the more difficult default campaigns 20190405 18:57:47<+wesdiscordbot> depends on the UMC tbh 20190405 18:58:02<+wesdiscordbot> I played that "I wanna be a lich" campaign the other day and got hard countered by impact-damage bros 20190405 18:58:05<+wesdiscordbot> on mission 3 20190405 18:58:07<+wesdiscordbot> and it was pretty obnoxious 20190405 18:58:19<+wesdiscordbot> Invasion from the Unknown and After the Storm (the latter isn't on the newest versions of Wesnoth, you gotta switch to 1.12 for now if you want to play it before shadowm ports it) 20190405 18:58:35<+wesdiscordbot> I'm willing to play whatever gets me views 20190405 18:58:58<+wesdiscordbot> as my entire twitch and youtube channel are a secret ploy to get people to visit my educational crypto website and click my referral links before they go buy some bitcoin 20190405 18:59:00<+wesdiscordbot> sooo if you didnt like the difficulty in UTBS...you might not like it in those either, tho i barely played After the Storm since i switched to 1.14 soon after i started my playthrough, so i wasnt able to do much 20190405 18:59:29<+wesdiscordbot> well I think I will get more used to the difficulty 20190405 18:59:34<+wesdiscordbot> can you play campaigns with mods? 20190405 18:59:44<+wesdiscordbot> idk, what kind of mods to be exact? 20190405 18:59:52<+wesdiscordbot> I might want to try it with the addon that removes all randomness 20190405 18:59:55<+wesdiscordbot> and makes all attacks auto-hit 20190405 19:00:04<+wesdiscordbot> you should play my campaign on max difficulty for full rage 😄 20190405 19:00:07<+wesdiscordbot> 😂 20190405 19:00:09<+wesdiscordbot> lmao 20190405 19:00:13<+wesdiscordbot> yea, Genesis is also rather hard 20190405 19:00:19<+wesdiscordbot> is that a custom campaign? 20190405 19:00:22<+wesdiscordbot> yup 20190405 19:00:22<+wesdiscordbot> I'd be happy to try it out 20190405 19:00:37<+wesdiscordbot> it was a joke, if you play it, don't play on hard 20190405 19:00:39<+wesdiscordbot> same goes for Invasion from the Unknown and After the Storm (those arent done by yumi/nemaara tho, theyre done by shadowm, whos also in here) 20190405 19:00:40<+wesdiscordbot> and yea 20190405 19:00:46<+wesdiscordbot> but I was getting pounded into the floor on the baby difficulty on that necro thing so I doubt I'd get far lol 20190405 19:00:46<+wesdiscordbot> Genesis is hard 20190405 19:00:53<+wesdiscordbot> pretty unique tho 20190405 19:01:03<+wesdiscordbot> I am concerned that a lot of these campaigns seem to deeply encourage you to save scum each turn 20190405 19:01:14<+wesdiscordbot> instead presenting a real tactical challenge 20190405 19:01:22<+wesdiscordbot> but I might be missing something 20190405 19:01:26<+wesdiscordbot> i havent played a lot of custom campaigns so i cant judge 20190405 19:01:31<+wesdiscordbot> well like 20190405 19:01:39<+wesdiscordbot> they don't strictly encourage you to save scum 20190405 19:01:42<+wesdiscordbot> I played one where you started as a bunch of baby elves (your heroes are level 1) and you have to fight a ton of level 2 orcs 20190405 19:01:54<+wesdiscordbot> and I'm not really understanding how you even begin to think about winning that without rng luck 20190405 19:02:12<+wesdiscordbot> can't say for all of the addon campaigns but most still don't expect you to save scum 20190405 19:02:16<+wesdiscordbot> you play around forest and time of day 20190405 19:02:23<+wesdiscordbot> lvl 2 orcs still only do 8-3 or so during the day 20190405 19:02:32<+wesdiscordbot> so if you put your archer on forest, expected value is only 8 dmg 20190405 19:02:34<+wesdiscordbot> hmm that's true but won't they just overwhelm you if you screw around for awhile 20190405 19:02:38<+wesdiscordbot> yeah 20190405 19:02:43<+wesdiscordbot> so it takes osme strategy 20190405 19:02:47<+wesdiscordbot> like the mission specifically wants you to rush down a leader 20190405 19:02:52<+wesdiscordbot> the key about campaigns is to abuse the AI as much as possible 20190405 19:03:20<+wesdiscordbot> and in SP especially, playing offensively (like really, really aggressively when it's the right time) is almost always better than defensively 20190405 19:03:47<+wesdiscordbot> it takes some experience so for newer players I def. agree that it might feel like you need to save scum 20190405 19:04:06<+wesdiscordbot> I feel like the trick is to get lucky and get one of your dudes to level 2 and then watch him wreck face during the day and in the forest 20190405 19:06:13<+wesdiscordbot> part of it is optimizing who you give your exp to as well 20190405 19:06:24<+wesdiscordbot> in campaigns, it's def. critical to get your units to higher levels 20190405 19:08:26<+wesdiscordbot> against orcs as elves, you probably want to take as little damage during the night as possible, even if it means not even attacking 20190405 19:08:36<+wesdiscordbot> and wipe them out during day 20190405 19:15:07<+wesdiscordbot> but I was getting pounded into the floor on the baby difficulty on that necro thing so I doubt I'd get far lol Have passed it without losses on hard several days ago. :P There was random-eliminating mod involved, though. 20190405 19:21:19<+wesdiscordbot> sota? 20190405 19:31:53<+wesdiscordbot> + 20190405 19:33:38<+wesdiscordbot> It was hard in the beginning. Not so much after getting my hands on the first wraith, though. 20190405 19:41:08-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 21:33:34<+wesdiscordbot> any idea how to access user-made units in map editor? 20190405 21:51:58<+wesdiscordbot> nvm, don't answer that XD 20190405 21:52:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 21:56:46-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:00:30-!- Grickit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:00:57-!- TC01_ [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:01:13-!- smiley` [mlsmiley@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-ptefhaijvwyuhnho] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190405 22:01:14-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190405 22:01:14-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190405 22:01:15-!- TC01 [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190405 22:01:17-!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:01:18-!- celmin|away [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190405 22:01:19-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190405 22:01:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190405 22:01:19-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190405 22:01:22-!- 7GHAAOYFW [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:01:30-!- 7GHAAOYFW is now known as Soliton 20190405 22:02:04-!- smiley [mlsmiley@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-wlqrnjxjxkoimdhy] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:07:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:09:32-!- cyphase_eviltwin is now known as cyphase 20190405 22:14:34<+wesdiscordbot> i'd honestly suggest NR for a good campaign, however, it probably isn't the right campaign to suggest to novice or intermediate level players 20190405 22:14:58<+wesdiscordbot> imo, SotBE and NR are the most difficult mainline 20190405 22:15:16<+wesdiscordbot> for an expert campaign, i found utbs fairly easy, actually 20190405 22:46:39-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190405 22:56:39-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190405 23:02:23-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190405 23:09:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190405 23:43:37<+wesdiscordbot> that is, for an expert, i mean 20190405 23:44:56<+wesdiscordbot> however, the quenoth elves in the new version made it a bit harder because of the new units, you gotta get used to their feel and how they work, rather than just ''here's the old rebel faction, minus woses and mermen, with desert as the defensive terrain rather than forest. oh, and plus another unit, minus a few advancement lines, and plus an advancement line'' --- Log closed Sat Apr 06 00:00:04 2019