--- Log opened Sun Apr 07 00:00:05 2019 20190407 00:07:25-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190407 00:40:44<+wesdiscordbot> i always liked the lore and the music 20190407 01:25:31-!- madmax28_ [~madmax28@2001-4dd3-8f14-0-ba27-ebff-febc-e0cb.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 01:26:22-!- madmax28 [~madmax28@2001-4dd4-1875-0-ba27-ebff-febc-e0cb.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190407 02:11:19<+wesdiscordbot> I like the strategy, there is a lot for such a simple game 😄 20190407 03:25:05<+wesdiscordbot> the most impressive thing about wesnoth to me is that nobody is making money off of it 20190407 03:25:15<+wesdiscordbot> for a game that doesn't generate money it is shockingly polished 20190407 03:26:18<+wesdiscordbot> we commission things, especially artwork 20190407 03:28:34<+wesdiscordbot> yeah but that costs money 20190407 03:29:43<+wesdiscordbot> oh, I see what you mean 20190407 03:30:06<+wesdiscordbot> wesnoth has a bit of money coming in from the iOS app I think, and that money gets used to commission art 20190407 03:30:11<+wesdiscordbot> and now we have a librepay 20190407 03:30:20<+wesdiscordbot> but it's not really a "for profit" game, no 20190407 03:30:23<+wesdiscordbot> umm this is just a shot in the dark but 20190407 03:30:29<+wesdiscordbot> if you guys want any help accepting cryptocurrency donations and things like that, please hit me up 20190407 03:30:50<+wesdiscordbot> I run an educational site about bitcoin and would love to help you with that if there's any interest 20190407 03:31:56<+wesdiscordbot> we'll keep it in mind :p 20190407 03:32:25<+wesdiscordbot> we've got enough on our plate for the moment, though, with liberapay and potentially patreon 20190407 03:33:06<+wesdiscordbot> have major gripes with patreon re: deplaftforming people they don't like, but I doubt wesnoth will have an issue there since it's non-controversial 20190407 03:33:12<+wesdiscordbot> would suggest subscribestar instead if possible 20190407 05:35:23-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190407 06:02:02<+wesdiscordbot> well, from what i know, rose, wesnoth's tried to stay nonpolitica 20190407 06:02:08<+wesdiscordbot> *nonpolitical 20190407 06:02:27<+wesdiscordbot> IIRC, they changed the name of one of the attacks WAY back from ''holy'' to ''arcane'' 20190407 06:02:43<+wesdiscordbot> and plus, politics after all - are banned on this server 20190407 06:03:31<+wesdiscordbot> and i do respect that choice. it's not a good idea to swerve an awesome project into some controversial statement...unless of course, that's the purpose of the project 20190407 06:06:20<+wesdiscordbot> but yeah - overall, i do appreciate wesnoth and the community as a whole. i'd be excited to donate when i can, but well, i just lost my job, so i need income before i can donate at all 20190407 06:17:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 07:00:24<+wesdiscordbot> do we get bonus points for donations? 20190407 08:14:21<+wesdiscordbot> i mean 20190407 08:14:43<+wesdiscordbot> idoubt they'd pay you to donate, that'd be counterintuitive 20190407 08:15:40<+wesdiscordbot> but i suppoe doing so might trigger a rush of happiness or satisfaction via the doohickeys in your brainn 20190407 08:16:04<+wesdiscordbot> that could be counted as ''bonus points'' in a hypothetical way 20190407 08:20:51-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 08:27:04-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20190407 08:32:53<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, from what ive seen so far the team is just doing an overall really good job 20190407 08:43:31<+wesdiscordbot> yeah 20190407 08:43:42<+wesdiscordbot> honestly - i doubt i could ever do such a good job 20190407 08:44:11<+wesdiscordbot> ysee, i can't create new blocks very well, but i work well with currently pre-made blocks 20190407 08:44:24<+wesdiscordbot> blocks being a metaphor for materials or the such 20190407 08:44:45<+wesdiscordbot> like i can't design a new wrench but i can use an existing wrench to create or improve something else 20190407 09:38:45-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 11:08:03-!- Ravana [~Ravana@wesnoth/mp-mod/ravana] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190407 11:31:33<+wesdiscordbot> I like the lore and music the best 20190407 11:31:45<+wesdiscordbot> Because I suck at actually playing the game haha 20190407 14:57:49<+wesdiscordbot> Well, if you ever need help - I can try to help but I'm not great 20190407 15:53:56-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 15:56:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190407 16:42:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 16:44:22<+wesdiscordbot> @ItsDaKoolaidDude There aren't any points, or anything like that. 20190407 17:48:46<+wesdiscordbot> My friend got me into a game called "Tales of Maj'Eyal" awhile back. It's got an interesting structure where it's free but donating gives you extra pirks. 20190407 17:49:20<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think there has to be like extra campaigns or anything tied to it, but I like the idea of having like a different in-game color scheme or something. 20190407 17:52:37<+wesdiscordbot> Actually, I don't think there should be extra playable stuff tied to donations. But having some non-game mechanic type stuff as a perk could be interesting. 20190407 17:56:02<+wesdiscordbot> Ah 20190407 17:56:59<+wesdiscordbot> Tbh, I really do dislike pay games, like I tried MMO games for a while, but it got ruined because everyone in the top of the leadership ladders were like WAY overpowered and used like a thousand dollars on upgrades 20190407 17:57:06<+wesdiscordbot> maybe custom flags for your villages? 20190407 17:57:09<+wesdiscordbot> So I am glad Wesnoth is 100% free 20190407 17:57:14<+wesdiscordbot> well, maybe, but uh 20190407 17:57:31<+wesdiscordbot> ''choose your flag'' mod (I think? might be something wrong) 20190407 17:57:36<+wesdiscordbot> allows you to do that already 20190407 17:57:37<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190407 17:59:00<+wesdiscordbot> it would be difficult to add something that couldn't be replicated via add-ons, yeah 20190407 17:59:54<+wesdiscordbot> there are like, addons for everything 20190407 18:00:12<+wesdiscordbot> and i'm not even exaggerating 20190407 18:00:31<+wesdiscordbot> there's so many extra factions via addons i can't even bother to count all the possiblities 20190407 18:18:23-!- smiley- is now known as smiley` 20190407 18:49:12<+wesdiscordbot> there are some addons that give visual content to supporters 20190407 19:00:46<+wesdiscordbot> I guess you're right. What about the forums or other out of game sites maintained by the Wesnoth team? Do they already have something that indicates a donator status? That could be an idea. 20190407 19:03:29<+wesdiscordbot> Also, I don't think that Wesnoth should look outside of mainstream sites like Patreon, etc. for donations. Wesnoth shouldn't have any sorts of issues hosting there and by going to something less well known you risk losing people who do not trust the different site. 20190407 19:05:04<+wesdiscordbot> From personal experience, I don't want my money going through sites I'm not sure I can trust. 20190407 19:13:37-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 19:32:18-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20190407 21:17:48-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 21:29:45-!- lolTest [loltest@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/loltest] has joined #wesnoth 20190407 21:30:52-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190407 21:36:53<+wesdiscordbot> Hey, quick question. I'm trying to download the mobile version and it's giving me the ''failed connecting, can't downlod packages'' shiz. Any of y'all wesnoth mods or players know what I should do? 20190407 21:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> I am like extremely untalented with coding and this sort of stuff so idk what to do 20190407 21:44:51<+wesdiscordbot> really, when it comes to it, i just look at a bunch of other similar coding and try to figure out/teach myself how to work it but it doesn't work :/ 20190407 21:46:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190407 21:47:53<+wesdiscordbot> check firewall settings 🤔 20190407 21:51:13<+wesdiscordbot> that's uh 20190407 21:51:19<+wesdiscordbot> a wifi doohickey right 20190407 21:51:26<+wesdiscordbot> or is it a device thing 20190407 21:51:45<+wesdiscordbot> i really should be more technologically knowledged 20190407 21:52:22<+wesdiscordbot> no, it's your firewall 😂 20190407 21:52:41<+wesdiscordbot> it might be blocking your download 20190407 21:52:49<+wesdiscordbot> I've had it happen with the windows version 20190407 22:02:35<+wesdiscordbot> Oh 20190407 22:02:48<+wesdiscordbot> so how do i access the firewall 20190407 22:05:22<+wesdiscordbot> wait 20190407 22:05:26<+wesdiscordbot> lemme find it 20190407 22:28:19< celticminstrel> Firewall is basically something that protects you from people just connecting to your computer and doing stuff to it. 20190407 22:29:08< celticminstrel> In other words, it blocks apps that attempt to connect to the Internet, especially if what they're doing is actually letting some external app connect to them. 20190407 22:29:42< celticminstrel> I've never seen any access to firewall settings on an iPhone though... might exist on Android, I suppose. 20190407 22:32:55<+wesdiscordbot> i've got a samsung galaxy note 20190407 22:33:02<+wesdiscordbot> are there settings on those? 20190407 22:33:09<+wesdiscordbot> for the firewall i mean 20190407 22:33:19< celticminstrel> I don't know. I've never used an Android device. 20190407 22:33:28<+wesdiscordbot> essentially, they could mix the words to be samalaxyote 20190407 22:33:48<+wesdiscordbot> but thanks anyway 20190407 22:33:50< celticminstrel> ...well okay, technically the TV is one, but I only watch DVDs and such on it, so... 20190407 22:34:06<+wesdiscordbot> aight 20190407 22:36:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190407 22:37:25<+wesdiscordbot> @Myrian unfortunately I think it's almost impossible not to make a political statement these days because almost everything is so politicized 20190407 22:37:41<+wesdiscordbot> even choosing to change "holy" to "arcane" is a political choice, you're choosing to go out of your way to be politically correct in order to avoid offending super-sensitive types 20190407 22:38:13< celticminstrel> "these days" 20190407 22:38:15< celticminstrel> It's nothing new. 20190407 22:38:24< celticminstrel> People just complain about it more these days. 20190407 22:38:32< celticminstrel> Everything has always been political. 20190407 22:38:38<+wesdiscordbot> I've been alive long enough to remember when you didn't have to walk on eggshells to avoid offending people 20190407 22:38:57< celticminstrel> You don't have to walk on eggshells today, either. 20190407 22:39:16<+wesdiscordbot> you don't have to but the price you pay now is that you might get labeled as a number of pretty horrible things and ostracized if you don't 20190407 22:39:18< celticminstrel> If you feel differently, you might want to do some heavy thinking. 20190407 22:39:26<+wesdiscordbot> Well 20190407 22:39:42<+wesdiscordbot> essentially anything cann go political 20190407 22:40:23<+wesdiscordbot> trust me, i am the most political gal you will ever meet - but if the rule of law on this server states politics aren't allowed - i try my best to respect it 20190407 22:40:27<+wesdiscordbot> after all, it is their server 20190407 22:40:37<+wesdiscordbot> oh I'm not suggesting breaking any rules here 20190407 22:40:50<+wesdiscordbot> I'm just suggesting that trying to remain apolitical is a nice idea but it's basically impossible 20190407 22:40:53<+wesdiscordbot> i'm not walking on eggshells, i'm just not trying tomake political statemets 20190407 22:40:58< celticminstrel> (Is that stated on the Wesnoth server? I genuinely don't know.) 20190407 22:41:00<+wesdiscordbot> somewhat, yeah, i getcha 20190407 22:41:10<+wesdiscordbot> (pretty sure it is) 20190407 22:41:12< celticminstrel> Being apolitical is itself a political choice, so. 20190407 22:41:22< celticminstrel> Also it's probably impossible. 20190407 22:41:27<+wesdiscordbot> 5. Posting or discussing any content of a controversial, illicit, political, gratuituously violent, or sexual nature is not allowed. Bear in mind that there are minors and people at their workplace on this server and on IRC. If you are in doubt about whether something is acceptable or not, ask a mod before posting. 20190407 22:41:38<+wesdiscordbot> (rules written by shadowm) 20190407 22:41:45< celticminstrel> Right. 20190407 22:42:17< celticminstrel> I don't connect here from work though... but others do, I'm sure. 20190407 22:42:45<+wesdiscordbot> see there you go 20190407 22:42:47<+wesdiscordbot> "controversial" 20190407 22:43:13<+wesdiscordbot> a very arbitrary thing 20190407 22:43:15< celticminstrel> It also explicitly mentions "political". 20190407 22:44:20<+wesdiscordbot> sure, that's sort of arbitrary too though - like, should I not be allowed to suggest that having Wesnoth on Patreon is a very bad idea based on their track record of abusing their users? 20190407 22:44:26<+wesdiscordbot> is that political? controversial? 20190407 22:44:37<+wesdiscordbot> what abuse 20190407 22:44:54<+wesdiscordbot> kicking people off their platform for various non-reasons 20190407 22:44:57< celticminstrel> Well, you'd have to ask shadowm, but personally I'd say it's fine since it's directly relevant to Wesnoth (but don't take my word for it). 20190407 22:45:11<+wesdiscordbot> sometimes political persecution, sometimes because they hate sex workers, sometimes other reasons 20190407 22:45:29< celticminstrel> I seriously doubt the first reason. 20190407 22:45:32<+wesdiscordbot> but the tl;dr is that essentially it's a bad platform which doesn't respect its own users and Wesnoth can do better than to support them 20190407 22:46:01<+wesdiscordbot> well I wrote an article about it, I assure you they have canned people purely for having the wrong politics 20190407 22:47:43< celticminstrel> I'd ask for a link but I guess that's impossible, huh. 20190407 22:47:49< celticminstrel> Still seriously doubt it though. 20190407 22:47:55<+wesdiscordbot> I probably shouldn't post it here 20190407 22:47:59< celticminstrel> Exactly. 20190407 22:48:00<+wesdiscordbot> and I can't pm it to you because IRC bridge lul 20190407 22:48:04< celticminstrel> And yeah, that. 20190407 22:48:06<+wesdiscordbot> I could hop on IRC real quick I guess 20190407 22:48:08<+wesdiscordbot> or you could hop on discord 20190407 22:48:38< celticminstrel> Probably not worth the effort TBH. 20190407 22:48:45<+wesdiscordbot> it's pretty easy to find my website if you go to my twitch where I was streaming wesnoth, though 20190407 22:49:41<+wesdiscordbot> well I'd like to think my writing is good enough to be worth it but maybe not :p 20190407 22:51:13<+wesdiscordbot> btw does anyone know if the guy who made the "no rng" mod is on discord? I'd like to run a suggestion by him 20190407 22:54:40<+wesdiscordbot> Every time people bring up holy being renamed to arcane I wonder if they realize that the change was needed for more practical reasons 20190407 22:59:06<+wesdiscordbot> It's pretty obvious that it wasn't done to "avoid offending super-sensitive" people, but I'd still like to hear the practical reasons 20190407 23:01:55<+wesdiscordbot> "holy" would be effective against "unholy" things like undead/demons 20190407 23:02:25<+wesdiscordbot> arcane is more of an anti-magic thing, so it would be effective against generally magical beings, including drakes, elves, and elementals, which wouldn't (lorewise) be affected by "holy" attacks 20190407 23:02:53< celticminstrel> IOW the rename allowed expanding the scope of the damage, huh... 20190407 23:03:54<+wesdiscordbot> also, users of arcane attacks such as the elvish sorceress and necromancers wouldn't necessarily be users of "holy" attacks 20190407 23:04:11<+wesdiscordbot> like, imagine a lich using a "holy magic" against its enemies 😂 20190407 23:04:14< celticminstrel> Necromancers especially, heh. 20190407 23:13:39<+wesdiscordbot> yeah I wasn't really talking about the holy/arcane thing specifically, just stuff like that 20190407 23:13:57<+wesdiscordbot> I'm reminded of when they renamed a sword called "Jihad" to "Zealot's Sword" in a game I play out of some misguided fear about offending people 20190407 23:16:48<+wesdiscordbot> yah, we don't have that kind of problem in wesnoth 20190407 23:17:07<+wesdiscordbot> as much 20190407 23:17:16< celticminstrel> I mean there's the khalifate rename, but that too had other bigger reasons. 20190407 23:17:39< celticminstrel> Main one being that it just didn't make sense for one faction to have names in a different language. 20190407 23:17:55< celticminstrel> And it made it difficult to understand. 20190407 23:18:23<+wesdiscordbot> eh, it's also "in house style" to avoid using real-world names and lore as much as possible 20190407 23:18:43<+wesdiscordbot> of course basing it on the real world is inevitable and necessary, but to avoid lifting it directly I mean 20190407 23:19:06<+wesdiscordbot> that's why Lady Jessica's name also got changed to Lady Jessene, for example 20190407 23:27:49<+wesdiscordbot> wiz khalifa: the faction 20190407 23:29:18<+wesdiscordbot> 😂 20190407 23:33:13<+wesdiscordbot> I meannn I do kida get that, it's practical, as a ghost which is..a pretty dead thing, is not very holy --- Log closed Mon Apr 08 00:00:07 2019