--- Log opened Mon May 06 00:00:48 2019 20190506 03:11:56<+wesdiscordbot> what is wmlparser3 and jq ? 20190506 03:33:15-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190506 04:18:37<+wesdiscordbot> Also i was wondering, why isnt there a portuguese-brazilian chat? xD i think i'd be nice. 20190506 04:50:33-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 05:50:15-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190506 06:08:31<+wesdiscordbot> @Glauco | Kurumim wmlparser3: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser3.py jq: https://stedolan.github.io/jq/ 20190506 06:38:37<+wesdiscordbot> <⎛⎝W⎠⎞⎛⎝A⎠⎞⎛⎝R⎠⎞⎛⎝H⎠⎞⎛⎝A⎠⎞⎛⎝R⎠⎞> Este comentario esta en español jaj 20190506 07:14:14<+wesdiscordbot> @Rose Ye i've tried to put in windowed, but it didnt work. 20190506 07:20:37<+wesdiscordbot> @Rose "did they really have such a problem with spam that they had to make you literally pay for access to the forum" - @ That is really wierd. Recently I have noticed Steam doing some strange things 20190506 07:22:55<+wesdiscordbot> It put out an announcement recently that they are now going to randomly censure large quanities of negative reviews so they are not visible in the developer's statistics... 👌 https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1808664240333155775 20190506 07:23:12<+wesdiscordbot> Down hill from here 20190506 07:29:52<+wesdiscordbot> I'm pretty sure that was caused by people "review bombing" games for one reason or another 20190506 07:30:18<+wesdiscordbot> also farming/selling of various community items 20190506 07:30:35<+wesdiscordbot> and probably spamming 20190506 07:34:19<+wesdiscordbot> They themselves admit that they can't read all the reviews 20190506 07:34:28<+wesdiscordbot> so there's a good potential for paid reviews too 20190506 07:35:56<+wesdiscordbot> like all they can do is to disregard all reviews in particular short period 20190506 07:36:15<+wesdiscordbot> if something untoward is done over longer period of time they can do nothing 20190506 07:37:14<+wesdiscordbot> They can notice things like abnormally high number of reviews from "players" who have reviewed nothing else, or reviews which are highly similar. 20190506 07:37:50<+wesdiscordbot> well a studio can easily hire a dozen of people who can write 20190506 07:38:04<+wesdiscordbot> and will each do a review in their own words 20190506 07:38:13<+wesdiscordbot> over a long period of time 20190506 07:39:08<+wesdiscordbot> no way of countering that without nabbing some sincere reviews 😛 20190506 07:39:37<+wesdiscordbot> "A dozen" isn't really enough for companies which cheat. IIRC, the threshold for "overwhelmingly positive" score was at least 500 reviews. 20190506 07:40:44<+wesdiscordbot> most small games won't get more than dozen anyway 20190506 07:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> though making 500 isn't impossible either 20190506 07:46:16<+wesdiscordbot> like if your budget is millions then there are more inefficient things in it than paying 500 people to write a short text 20190506 07:47:34<+wesdiscordbot> well, unless those 500 people have all played the game a good amount, the reviews will still be fairly recognizable for people reading them, which may lead to them being downvoted, which may lead to the entire period of reviews getting trashed 20190506 07:48:13<+wesdiscordbot> so the 5 USD minimum investment in the steam account is going to be the cheapest bit involved 20190506 07:48:55<+wesdiscordbot> 5*500 = 2500 20190506 07:48:58<+wesdiscordbot> yes 20190506 07:49:22<+wesdiscordbot> Don't forget that they need to buy the game normally for the reviews to be counted towards the score. 20190506 07:49:38<+wesdiscordbot> Most of that money goes back to the developer, but Valve keeps 30 %. 20190506 07:50:05<+wesdiscordbot> Assuming that the game costs 60 dollars, it's 18 dollars per copy, i.e. 9000 dollars for 500 copies. 20190506 07:50:12<+wesdiscordbot> you can probably use discounts, but you still need to spend 5 USD, so that's 1.5 USD per review that goes to valve 20190506 07:50:41<+wesdiscordbot> don't forget you need to pay the people too 20190506 07:51:28<+wesdiscordbot> unless you want spammy reviews, you need to give people time to familiarize themselves with the game (unless it's the same person writing 500 reviews on 500 accounts) 20190506 07:52:10<+wesdiscordbot> I think it's doable.Because company needs to hire testers too 20190506 07:52:38<+wesdiscordbot> They can share lot of infra for both tasks 20190506 07:52:47<+wesdiscordbot> since testers need to familiarize too 😛 20190506 07:53:06<+wesdiscordbot> true 20190506 07:53:40<+wesdiscordbot> this way, the testers can also test the actual steam version 20190506 07:54:00<+wesdiscordbot> (not that they couldn't before, what with external keys and all) 20190506 07:56:32<+wesdiscordbot> Valve perhaps would be served better by having some moderation/meta-moderation system 20190506 07:56:43<+wesdiscordbot> so actual users could help out too 20190506 07:56:55<+wesdiscordbot> hmm unless it already does 20190506 07:57:07<+wesdiscordbot> is it currently possible to review the reviewer? 20190506 07:57:35<+wesdiscordbot> I don't know it's review system too deeply 20190506 08:00:50<+wesdiscordbot> there's a set of "Helpful/Not Helpful/Funny" buttons 20190506 08:09:10<+wesdiscordbot> Does it generate karma like on slashdot/soylent? 😛 20190506 08:21:47<+wesdiscordbot> probably not 20190506 09:39:08-!- Rhonda [~rhonda@wesnoth/developer/rhonda] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190506 09:47:29-!- Rhonda [~rhonda@wesnoth/developer/rhonda] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 10:37:01<+wesdiscordbot> haven't used steam in a while tbh 20190506 10:37:09<+wesdiscordbot> but I think the idea is not bad 20190506 10:37:23<+wesdiscordbot> it will definitely avoid review abuse 20190506 11:41:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 11:42:26-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190506 12:21:04-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 12:55:48-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 13:59:15-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 17:02:07-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 17:35:23-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190506 17:42:18-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 19:39:25-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190506 19:50:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190506 21:01:12-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 21:15:52-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190506 21:21:24-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 21:29:38-!- Falcon` [falcon@eat-that.tk] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 20190506 21:34:50-!- Falcon` [falcon@eat-that.tk] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 21:37:13-!- Falcon` [falcon@eat-that.tk] has quit [Client Quit] 20190506 22:03:41-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190506 23:04:29-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190506 23:20:25-!- stikonas [~stikonas@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth 20190506 23:51:24-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Tue May 07 00:00:49 2019