--- Log opened Thu May 16 00:00:59 2019 20190516 00:15:41-!- celmin|away is now known as celticminstrel 20190516 00:54:21< Necrosporus> Yumi, well, I mean, OK, it's not super important to be able to level one unit in first tutorial thing. But why remove this possiblity by making quintains level 0? 20190516 02:17:11-!- TC01_ [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 20190516 02:38:42-!- psymin [~psymin@host-69-146-224-142.static.bresnan.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190516 03:40:07-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190516 04:39:17<+wesdiscordbot> @Forum Mods https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=49817 20190516 04:41:51-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 05:47:40<+wesdiscordbot> @Hejnewar link not working 20190516 05:48:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190516 05:55:33<+wesdiscordbot> Becouse it was already removed. 20190516 06:02:47< Necrosporus> So did Malin curse Zephrin with boils or kill him? 20190516 06:05:49< Necrosporus> Why did Volk need to get rid of Malin when he obtained the book though? I think there is nothing stopping them to just read the book together and share it instead 20190516 08:11:40<+wesdiscordbot> at last I got to the battle for wesnoth 20190516 08:11:46<+wesdiscordbot> but then I came to realize 20190516 08:11:59<+wesdiscordbot> music played in version 1.12 is the same for that stage 20190516 08:12:44<+wesdiscordbot> maybe I should ask around on the forums to see if anyone can arrange a piece for that scenario for a given commission 20190516 08:17:46<+wesdiscordbot> ah it was that spam 20190516 10:30:18-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 10:39:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190516 11:46:11-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 12:12:24-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 12:29:56-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 13:01:18<+wesdiscordbot> Necrosporus: He didn't care about Malin, but he certainly didn't want to put up with continuing to deceive Malin anymore, so he threw him aside. Malin was the one that insisted on fighting Volk for the book. 20190516 13:04:05< Necrosporus> I mean, perhaps, even if Volk only wanted the book, he could still let Malin read it too, and as result not get killed by him 20190516 13:05:33<+wesdiscordbot> Imagine being some dude that practices necromancy, who manipulated and deceiving some young mage into becoming a necromancer, all so you can this cool book for becoming immortal. 20190516 13:05:45<+wesdiscordbot> Now, do you want that young mage to become immortal? 20190516 13:06:06< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, What's so wrong with orks eating humans occasionally, though? I don't see how it contradicts SotBE 20190516 13:06:23<+wesdiscordbot> (Not to mention Malin never asked to read the book. He just insisted on having the book, so he didn't want to share with Volk.) 20190516 13:07:05< Necrosporus> I don't think that ditchin your apprentice is a good idea altogether 20190516 13:08:22<+wesdiscordbot> Apprentice = someone you think well of and want to learn stuff for his own use =/= someone you manipulate for your devices, teaching him only so he can be of use for you = Malin for Volk 20190516 13:08:47<+wesdiscordbot> To point out what's wrong with your argument. 20190516 13:08:52< Necrosporus> I think I would think this beforehand and after obtaining the book, send the apprentice to do something alone, or... Congratulate him and tell him that he is already a great mage and stuff? 20190516 13:10:09<+wesdiscordbot> Did you read that part where I argued that Volk didn't want to put up with the Charade anymore? 20190516 13:10:33<+wesdiscordbot> And remember, Wesnoth is a world where killing people is a good solution for most. 20190516 13:10:48< Necrosporus> I mean, why Volk couldn't tell Malin that obtaining the book was the final test and now he is a graduate necromancer 20190516 13:10:48<+wesdiscordbot> At least when you are stronger than them. 20190516 13:11:26<+wesdiscordbot> What's Malins motivation for necromancy again? Can you remember? 20190516 13:11:26< Necrosporus> Killing people is usually a bad idea when you can keep them as allies 20190516 13:12:16< Necrosporus> Volk was very cold with him after they obtained the book. I mean he could keep pretending just for a bit more to send him away, but keep him as an ally 20190516 13:12:44<+wesdiscordbot> I'm growing weary of this. I believe I've already made an argument that defeats yours and I see no use in reiterating it. 20190516 13:13:16< Necrosporus> Yeah, you said that Volk wanted to stop pretending early 20190516 13:13:24< Necrosporus> I still think it was a mistake of him 20190516 13:13:34<+wesdiscordbot> Yes. Yes, it was. 20190516 13:13:38<+wesdiscordbot> He died for it. 20190516 13:15:29<+wesdiscordbot> But the point is, we were not arguing about whether it was a mistake. But why it makes (no) sense for him to behave like this. 20190516 13:17:50< Necrosporus> But Volk could have tried to become friends with Malin for real, perhaps 20190516 13:18:08< Necrosporus> Though I see it looks similar to siths from SW 20190516 13:18:21< Necrosporus> They even have an SW quote as easter egg 20190516 13:18:42< Necrosporus> The pupil has to kill the teacher after learning everything they could 20190516 13:20:03<+wesdiscordbot> Good point, we need to rewrite the entire campaign now πŸ€” 20190516 13:20:36<+wesdiscordbot> I always wonder what the point of all this philosophical rambling is 20190516 13:41:00< Necrosporus> I'm not suggesting that anything should be done with that 20190516 13:41:24< Necrosporus> But I'm wondering whenever people see that it was a possibility or not, for Volk 20190516 13:46:37<+wesdiscordbot> It was a possibility for a Volk. But not for the one that was written in the story. To make it a possibility for him, you'd have to rewrite the story and his character, essentially discarding what makes him Volk, until you are left with a different character which bears his name. 20190516 13:47:11<+wesdiscordbot> Not very helpful. 20190516 13:54:55-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 14:12:57< Necrosporus> So, Volk in the story was an evil necromancer who cannot befriend anybody? Also, all the dark adepts stayed with Malin, right? 20190516 14:13:45< Necrosporus> Adepts (and their advances) are humans too, and, theoretically they can have their say too, in this situation 20190516 14:20:36<+wesdiscordbot> I don't agree with your oversimplification. Not without interpretation if my words. That's true. You might want to remember that Volk recruited Necromancers. So obviously some of them followed him as subordinates. 20190516 14:24:36<+wesdiscordbot> *Nor with your interpretation 20190516 14:24:44<+wesdiscordbot> *of my words. 20190516 14:29:48< Necrosporus> So, Volk had other necromancer apprentices besides Malin, but wanted to ditch only him 20190516 14:29:59< Necrosporus> This is a bit strange, maybe 20190516 14:30:09< Necrosporus> I mean, pupils or however you call it 20190516 14:33:53< Necrosporus> Perhaps he did see Malin as concurent, who might want to become the leader and overthrow him, but not others, who were weaker? 20190516 14:40:42<+wesdiscordbot> Perhaps you're reading too much into things 20190516 14:43:14<+wesdiscordbot> @Technomancer which scenario 20190516 16:40:30<+wesdiscordbot> last one, a heir to the throne 20190516 16:48:45<+wesdiscordbot> but then again maybe on the latest versions it was changed after all I think they added different music(?) 20190516 16:52:11<+wesdiscordbot> The previous main menu soundtrack by Aubry-Carlson (did I spell his surname correct?) still plays after defeating Asheviere in that scenario. 20190516 16:52:43<+wesdiscordbot> At least in 1.14.5 (that’s when I played HttT). 20190516 16:54:51<+wesdiscordbot> And judging by the scenario files (I have already updated to 1.14.7), it still does. 20190516 16:58:42<+wesdiscordbot> ahh 20190516 16:58:54<+wesdiscordbot> then that was changed since then 20190516 16:59:12<+wesdiscordbot> I'm playing 1.12 20190516 16:59:27<+wesdiscordbot> because my current os version only supports that, lol 20190516 17:00:22<+wesdiscordbot> Sure? Windows XP? 20190516 17:00:53<+wesdiscordbot> Oh wait, I have installed 1.14 via Steam, previously I was stuck with 1.12 too. 20190516 17:01:31<+wesdiscordbot> (I use Linux Mint 19.1, which uses Ubuntu 18.04 package base.) 20190516 17:03:16<+wesdiscordbot> linux mint indeed 20190516 17:03:20<+wesdiscordbot> need to update 20190516 17:03:39<+wesdiscordbot> but have so many files to update I have to give it time 20190516 17:22:16<+wesdiscordbot> can't recall exact mint version but it's based off ubuntu 18.04 20190516 18:05:28-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190516 18:08:35-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 18:10:02<+wesdiscordbot> Surely 19.x. 20190516 18:10:46<+wesdiscordbot> The repositories won't update until Linux Mint 20 releases, which in turn requires Ubuntu 20.04 to exist. 20190516 18:11:03<+wesdiscordbot> hahahahahhahahahaha 20190516 18:11:07<+wesdiscordbot> that's sad 20190516 18:11:26<+wesdiscordbot> I had the impression they followed the repositories from the latest version 20190516 18:11:28<+wesdiscordbot> Don't worry, Debian 9 has even older packages πŸ˜ƒ 20190516 18:11:54<+wesdiscordbot> in that case I might install vanilla lubuntu 20190516 18:12:40<+wesdiscordbot> I re-installed Wesnoth using Steam, it allows to play the latest version. 20190516 18:12:44<+wesdiscordbot> to be honest mint is better for me because you just install it and start coding or doing whatever, whereas ubuntu almost always has something you need to tweak or modify 20190516 18:13:00<+wesdiscordbot> ahh that's a better option 20190516 18:13:41<+wesdiscordbot> 1.14 is the first version available on Steam. 20190516 18:16:20<+wesdiscordbot> OR you can just manually download the latest version from Ubuntu 19.x repositories. 20190516 18:17:58<+wesdiscordbot> I think the latter option is better, unless you are already registered on Steam. 20190516 18:21:26<+wesdiscordbot> But you'll be responsible for updating the game yourself. 20190516 18:28:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190516 18:31:02<+wesdiscordbot> steam is fine imo 20190516 18:47:12<+wesdiscordbot> Heya alls. What we talking about? 20190516 19:07:15<+wesdiscordbot> wesnoth version changes 20190516 19:07:19<+wesdiscordbot> I love wesnoth music 20190516 19:07:48<+wesdiscordbot> but I have been thinking it would be nice if a heir to the throne had music per each scenario 20190516 19:17:28<+wesdiscordbot> so imma start asking around in the forums 20190516 19:17:37<+wesdiscordbot> to know how much they charge per piece 20190516 19:19:13<+wesdiscordbot> Hi. I'm new to this server. How are you guys? 20190516 19:19:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 20:19:13-!- ec2-user is now known as lordsox 20190516 20:19:32-!- lordsox is now known as galegosimpatico 20190516 20:20:13-!- galegosimpatico is now known as uprego 20190516 20:20:17-!- uprego is now known as galegosimpatico 20190516 20:27:15<+wesdiscordbot> the people who used to write music for teh game aren't around anymore @Technomancer 20190516 20:27:25<+wesdiscordbot> so you'd probably need to ask elsewhere 20190516 20:28:40<+wesdiscordbot> I can write music as well, but I haven't really tried to in the wesnoth style so no guarantees 20190516 20:47:45-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511DED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 21:00:43-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190516 21:05:48-!- mthe878 [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20190516 21:33:54-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190516 21:50:01<+wesdiscordbot> This is very cool to see I've been playing Wesnoth for a good portion of my life and never really participated in the community before But I saw there was an official Discord and I was like "Sure why not" 20190516 22:05:21<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi ;___; 20190516 22:06:28<+wesdiscordbot> 😱 20190516 22:06:53<+wesdiscordbot> :Lich: 20190516 22:07:26<+wesdiscordbot> I dont have time now, but in a couple weeks, you can try bothering me to write some music 20190516 22:08:00<+wesdiscordbot> kind of depends on if I'm inspired or not tho πŸ˜‚ 20190516 22:08:47<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi make music :3 20190516 22:09:27<+wesdiscordbot> if you want to try commissioning other ppl, just be aware that it's not cheap at all 20190516 22:10:06<+wesdiscordbot> how much are we talking about?? 20190516 22:10:56<+wesdiscordbot> if you dont mind I'll DM you about it 20190516 22:11:01<+wesdiscordbot> okay 20190516 22:12:09<+wesdiscordbot> On the topic of music can I just say how much I LOVE the new menu theme 20190516 22:15:07<+wesdiscordbot> Pretty much every theme in Wesnoth has been a huge part of my childhood so hearing the medley of a whole bunch of them is incredibly emotional to me 20190516 22:15:57<+wesdiscordbot> I"m sure west would be happy to hear that :p 20190516 22:18:21-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190516 22:37:26<+wesdiscordbot> Who remembers opening wesnoth with the old main theme when your volume was turned wayyyy too high πŸ˜…πŸ˜± 20190516 22:45:15< Necrosporus> Does dwarwish accent imitate some real life accent? 20190516 22:56:27<+wesdiscordbot> scottish 20190516 22:59:02<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vB2ivRyL1U 20190516 23:08:09<+wesdiscordbot> I have opened wesnoth with my volume way too high before it's quite an experience Also, I've loaded a save with my volume way too high, causing me to hear the turn drum at full blast, and then an incredibly loud rooster noise --- Log closed Fri May 17 00:00:01 2019