--- Log opened Fri May 17 00:00:01 2019 20190517 00:01:32-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190517 00:34:20-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511DED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20190517 00:34:28<+wesdiscordbot> Me too @A Friendly Amprat Or I was playing at 5 am and suddenly the rooster suprises me. 20190517 00:34:40<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah 20190517 00:36:56<+wesdiscordbot> Also I noticed something strange about the turn sound For some reason it's called "turn bell" even though it sounds more like a clang of some kind, and in older versions it sounded like a drum 20190517 00:36:57<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/578742713445253148/unknown.png 20190517 00:37:05<+wesdiscordbot> There's probably a good reason 20190517 00:37:09<+wesdiscordbot> It just seems strange to me 20190517 00:38:35<+wesdiscordbot> Is there a way to put the old main theme back at start up? 20190517 00:39:00<+wesdiscordbot> That is the song that made me fall in love with this game back in 2007. 20190517 00:39:09<+wesdiscordbot> Probably could replace the ogg file I'm not sure but that sounds like it would work 20190517 00:40:35<+wesdiscordbot> it works 20190517 00:40:53<+wesdiscordbot> I know cuz I moved a custom ogg to add it through wml 20190517 00:42:01<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah I just tried it and it works 20190517 00:43:09<+wesdiscordbot> just delete "return_to_wesnoth.ogg" and rename a copy of "main_menu.ogg" to "return_to_wesnoth.ogg" 20190517 00:43:21<+wesdiscordbot> and it will play the main menu theme 20190517 00:43:41<+wesdiscordbot> Ok thanks. 20190517 00:43:52<+wesdiscordbot> I just love the main theme. 20190517 00:43:57<+wesdiscordbot> Or you could edit game_config.cfg 20190517 00:44:00<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah me too 20190517 00:44:20<+wesdiscordbot> Oh. Thanks. @Iris 20190517 00:44:36<+wesdiscordbot> Oh wow that is easier 20190517 00:44:44<+wesdiscordbot> There's a line in data/game_config.cfg that has title_music="return_to_wesnoth.ogg" 20190517 00:45:34<+wesdiscordbot> Yes. I just saw it. Thank you. 20190517 00:46:43<+wesdiscordbot> Wow that's really simple and straightforward 20190517 00:50:03< celticminstrel> ...I can't even be bothered to answer Necrosporus's question now. 20190517 00:51:44< Necrosporus> What do you mean? 20190517 00:51:58< celticminstrel> Just that. 20190517 00:52:22< celticminstrel> Partly too much time has passed since it was asked. 20190517 00:52:30< Necrosporus> It still stays 20190517 00:53:01< Necrosporus> If you were on place of Drogan in scenario 1 would you exile Malin for using necromancy? 20190517 00:53:29< celticminstrel> That wasn't the question but okay. 20190517 00:53:41< celticminstrel> FTR I haven't played that scenario so I couldn't really answer it if I wanted to. 20190517 01:02:58< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, I don't understand what is wrong with letting wesnoth orcs eat people. Why did it have to be a bug report? I mean of course it would be bad in real life if somebody ate humans, and it would be counted as a crime and they would be arrested. But same goes to killing (which is kind of purpose of war game) and other somewhat questionable things, such as necromancy. 20190517 01:03:20< celticminstrel> . . . 20190517 01:03:46< celticminstrel> If you really want an answer from me, please get back to me in a day or two. I really don't feel like arguing this out right now. 20190517 01:04:08< Necrosporus> Perhaps it was written in some forum thread 20190517 01:04:10< celticminstrel> Kinda busy with something else that takes a certain level of concentration. 20190517 01:04:23< celticminstrel> Might've been, you can feel free to peruse relevant forum threads for my opinions on the matter. 20190517 01:08:51<+wesdiscordbot> we don't decide lore based on popular opinion or forum threads. 20190517 01:09:14<+wesdiscordbot> we also don't decide lore on whatever's said in bug reports 20190517 01:14:16<+wesdiscordbot> to be clear, whether or not there is a bug report is irrelevant, since it could be invalid or not desirable 20190517 01:14:26<+wesdiscordbot> what matters is how it's acted on 20190517 01:20:18<+wesdiscordbot> mfw social justice wesnoth convo has returned again 20190517 01:20:28<+wesdiscordbot> 😒 😩 😒 20190517 01:20:47< celticminstrel> (Rose is lucky that I'm not a moderator.) 20190517 01:20:50<+wesdiscordbot> mfw people are now reporting their political grievances as bug reports 20190517 01:20:58<+wesdiscordbot> yes I am aware that you would censor me if given the chance, alas you do not have that chance 20190517 01:21:18< celticminstrel> Haha 20190517 01:21:19<+wesdiscordbot> perhaps you should focus more on having good arguments than trying to silence people who disagree with you 20190517 01:22:29<+wesdiscordbot> there'll be someone else "censoring" people if you can't keep this discussion reasonable. 20190517 01:22:57<+wesdiscordbot> who gets to decide what's reasonable? I disagree with his ideas and frankly I find them to be utterly ridiculous - I don't think it's unreasonable to say so 20190517 01:23:09< celticminstrel> It's totally reasonable to say so. 20190517 01:23:09<+wesdiscordbot> well, I'm a discord moderator 20190517 01:23:12<+wesdiscordbot> so... 20190517 01:23:13< celticminstrel> But words have consequences. 20190517 01:23:16<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not cursing or insulting him, so the fact that he wants to censor me is sort of outrageous 20190517 01:23:29<+wesdiscordbot> Can you all just stop? 20190517 01:23:29< celticminstrel> And sometimes the consequences are being kicked out. 20190517 01:23:39< celticminstrel> That's not censorship. 20190517 01:23:53< celticminstrel> (Stopping now, need to focus. Switching to another tab too, so don't expect anything from me for awhile.) 20190517 01:24:04<+wesdiscordbot> I seriously doubt I'm going to get "kicked out" just for disagreeing with you, and that's all I'll say on the subject 20190517 01:24:08<+wesdiscordbot> maybe I'm wrong, but I sure hope not 20190517 01:25:55<+wesdiscordbot> O.o 20190517 01:26:21<+wesdiscordbot> Claiming that us discussing writing issues in the bug tracker is some kind of "social justice" agenda or that discussions about lore are political or that there's censorship going on isn't conducive to a constructive conversation at all, and neither is threatening people by saying they're lucky you're not a moderator 20190517 01:27:10<+wesdiscordbot> This isn't the first time I've had to swoop in to address this topic, which shows that there's something very wrong with the way you approach these topics 20190517 01:27:36<+wesdiscordbot> Like, seriously, cut the political self-victimization 20190517 01:27:43<+wesdiscordbot> should I not be allowed to have the opinion that this type of thing is textbook "social justice" agenda stuff? 20190517 01:27:52<+wesdiscordbot> you have already made your point 20190517 01:28:01<+wesdiscordbot> there is no need to state it 100000 times 20190517 01:28:09<+wesdiscordbot> You're allowed to have that opinion and we're allowed to refute its validity 20190517 01:28:20<+wesdiscordbot> yeah feel free to refute it, I just don't want to get banned over having an opinion is all 20190517 01:28:21<+wesdiscordbot> one sentence "I believe this kind of thing is representative of textbook social justice without saying anything meaningful" 20190517 01:28:31<+wesdiscordbot> and you can support your point with whatever 20190517 01:28:57<+wesdiscordbot> saying it over multiple days/weeks with multiple people telling you that you are wrong and not discussing it in a constructive or civil manner is bad 20190517 01:29:08<+wesdiscordbot> being correct is not a popularity contest 20190517 01:29:12<+wesdiscordbot> We're also allowed to take action against you if you are being intentionally disruptive by swaying conversations into a politically-charged direction every time 20190517 01:29:20<+wesdiscordbot> it is not, and that is why we do not decide lore based on polls 20190517 01:29:31<+wesdiscordbot> you're really suggesting that it wasn't politically charged before I said something? 20190517 01:29:33<+wesdiscordbot> the reason for changing orcs to not eating humans, were it the case 20190517 01:29:40<+wesdiscordbot> would not be for the reason you stated anyway 20190517 01:29:45<+wesdiscordbot> and I have already said that 20190517 01:30:01<+wesdiscordbot> it is annoying that multiple people bring up that bug report 20190517 01:30:07<+wesdiscordbot> for the record I wasn't referring to anything you guys were doing, I was referring to what celtic was saying 20190517 01:30:11<+wesdiscordbot> without realizing that I decided to support WoV 20190517 01:30:26<+wesdiscordbot> by increasing the number of/strengthening the references to orcs eating humans 20190517 01:30:36<+wesdiscordbot> doing exactly the opposite of the original report 20190517 01:30:42<+wesdiscordbot> idk man orcs basically breed like rabbits in wesnoth, right? 20190517 01:30:48<+wesdiscordbot> seems to me they'd eat anything they can get their grubby hands on 20190517 01:30:53<+wesdiscordbot> I don't disagree 20190517 01:31:00<+wesdiscordbot> that is exactly why the outcome of the bug report was the way it is 20190517 01:31:10<+wesdiscordbot> cool 20190517 01:31:41< celticminstrel> ...excuse me, please refrain from saying "celtic" or "celmin" when I'm trying not to pay attention. 20190517 01:32:01<+wesdiscordbot> you can close your irc tab if you need to 20190517 01:32:19< celticminstrel> Well true, I suppose I could. I'm still in dev anyway. Good idea. 20190517 01:32:24<+wesdiscordbot> we'll try not to mention you, but idk if your name will come up 20190517 01:32:29<+wesdiscordbot> anything important we'll ping later, I guess 20190517 01:32:39< celticminstrel> If it's anything important, just ping me in dev. 20190517 01:32:42<+wesdiscordbot> how many turn did it take you to kill the queen in the last scenario? 20190517 01:32:42<+wesdiscordbot> ya 20190517 01:32:43<+wesdiscordbot> okay 20190517 01:32:44-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has left #wesnoth [] 20190517 01:32:46<+wesdiscordbot> if it pings you over the irc bridge I'm happy to try to avoid doing that 20190517 01:32:57<+wesdiscordbot> like 20-30 20190517 01:33:12<+wesdiscordbot> last scenario of HttT was pretty easy, I thought 20190517 01:33:17<+wesdiscordbot> what units did you use? 20190517 01:33:27<+wesdiscordbot> I have been spamming knights 20190517 01:33:29<+wesdiscordbot> bunch of dwarvish lords I think 20190517 01:33:40<+wesdiscordbot> if not that, then royal guards 20190517 01:33:44<+wesdiscordbot> I don't like knights that much personally 20190517 01:33:47<+wesdiscordbot> and managed to kill the first leader with a few hits 20190517 01:33:53<+wesdiscordbot> I did that too 20190517 01:34:06<+wesdiscordbot> it's easy to rush him down, but not that easy to rush down the main castle 20190517 01:34:15<+wesdiscordbot> I don't have many units associated with that branch of evolution 😂 20190517 01:34:23<+wesdiscordbot> I used elves everywhere 20190517 01:34:33<+wesdiscordbot> in fact I missed them when I was unable to get em 20190517 01:34:41<+wesdiscordbot> I think elves aren't that good in the last scenario since it's mostly flat ground 20190517 01:34:47<+wesdiscordbot> so loyalists tend to do better 20190517 01:39:14<+wesdiscordbot> i never get to use horse riders well 20190517 01:39:18<+wesdiscordbot> they are too weak 20190517 01:39:23<+wesdiscordbot> even the loyalists 20190517 06:34:14< Necrosporus> Regarding orc eating human, I don't understand what was reason to remove it? It's kinda disgusting? Yes, for many people, like killing people in general, rising corpses and betraying your husband (as Asheviere did)... 20190517 06:34:44< Necrosporus> But we can't just remove all nasty details including killing people from a wargame. It's a wargame afterall 20190517 06:34:58< Necrosporus> You can't have a wargame where nobody kills people, right? 20190517 06:36:03<+wesdiscordbot> a time travel strategy game would be nice 20190517 06:38:45<+wesdiscordbot> Necrosporus: Yumi literally wrote 'by increasing the number of/strengthening the references to orcs eating humans doing exactly the opposite of the original report'. So what are you trying to say? 20190517 06:40:05<+wesdiscordbot> I'd also like to point out that a bug report is not the same as opening an issue. You can report a bug by opening an issue, but not every issue is a bug report. 20190517 06:41:08< Necrosporus> I remember the forum thread. The original problem was with Wings of Victory, reported in the thread. Somebody wasn't comfortable with the fact that drakes ate human slaves, then Yumi brought up orcs eating humans. And then it was put in bug report and mentions removed 20190517 06:41:19< Necrosporus> OK, issue 20190517 06:42:19< Necrosporus> I disagree with this removal, and I think that it should have only been done, if it was able to reach a consensus 20190517 06:44:17< Necrosporus> I think there was no sufficient discussion regarding this issue and I perfectly understand why some people are not happy with it. 20190517 06:45:45<+wesdiscordbot> there is no requirement for there to be a consensus made between everyone with an opinion before a change is made. 20190517 06:46:01<+wesdiscordbot> ^ 20190517 06:46:40<+wesdiscordbot> there is absolutely no need for a consensus or any requirement for a public discussion 20190517 06:46:53<+wesdiscordbot> please stop bringing it up 20190517 06:51:00< Necrosporus> Hypotetical scenario, what if Pentarctagon wanted to remove necromancy from the game, including all units and all mentions. Can he just open an issue, send a patch request and then get every single mentioning of necromancy (including two or three official campaigns) removed in couple of days? 20190517 06:51:18<+wesdiscordbot> stop 20190517 08:00:56<+wesdiscordbot> I have been thinking 20190517 08:01:10<+wesdiscordbot> animation in this style would look cool 20190517 08:01:11<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkbQhOz5H8&t=115s 20190517 08:01:36<+wesdiscordbot> of course I am not gonna play the idea guy card and code it myself 20190517 08:01:56<+wesdiscordbot> but, I wonder if something like that is planned for the 2.0 version of the game? 20190517 08:03:25<+wesdiscordbot> or maybe a mod which already exists? 20190517 08:26:56<+wesdiscordbot> some umc units (probably EoMA) have animations that goes into that style 20190517 10:07:34<+wesdiscordbot> Hi everyone! Hearing the devs talk about a series of single-scenario campaigns, I decided to get together several UMC authors and make a campaign connecting various gaps in the history of Irdya. Called Forgotten Conflicts, I am adding the campaign to the 1.14 add-ons server. It utilises several lesser-known characters and explains their stories. Currently, two scenarios are left. Anyone interested is invited to work on 20190517 10:07:35<+wesdiscordbot> these two (I'll send you the outline for them). Hopefully, if it is good enough, this combined effort could be mainlined. 😀 20190517 10:13:39<+wesdiscordbot> interesting 20190517 10:13:43<+wesdiscordbot> can you give an example for some? 20190517 10:13:51<+wesdiscordbot> characters that get expanded i mean 20190517 10:14:34<+wesdiscordbot> I would rather read that on forums. 20190517 10:23:34-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 10:45:32-!- Rhonda [~rhonda@wesnoth/developer/rhonda] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190517 10:50:17-!- Rhonda [~rhonda@wesnoth/developer/rhonda] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 11:00:20<+wesdiscordbot> Sure, Relana, Rudic (Bone Captain), Karun, Blemaker (Gruu's father) and more. 20190517 11:21:32-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20190517 11:22:56-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 11:26:34-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190517 11:35:37-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 12:17:07-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|away 20190517 12:34:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 12:44:26-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@unaffiliated/necrosporus] by ChanServ 20190517 12:48:31-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 13:24:44<+wesdiscordbot> @Gweddeoran I don't think that this is described well enough or at the very least it isn't convincing enough for me. If someone wants something mainlined I think that complete description is first step to do that. Recent dunefolk rework is I think perfect example of that. I dont think that campanning needs as long description but a bit more detailed one wouldn't hurt, especially because not everyone has time to play it or needs 20190517 13:24:44<+wesdiscordbot> to choose between this campanning and something else. 20190517 14:00:43-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 14:06:17<+wesdiscordbot> It has a description, I will soon upload it on the server 20190517 14:06:33<+wesdiscordbot> You can check it there 20190517 14:10:09<+wesdiscordbot> I can't upload it since my Wesnoth keeps crashing. Please be patient before dismissing the efforts of several coders. 😁 20190517 14:25:08< Soliton> wesnoth should never crash, please report bugs at bugs.wesnoth.org 20190517 14:35:54<+wesdiscordbot> I think Rory is right. I dont see anything unique there I probably won't find time to check it out because it doesn't seem as interesting as other options no matter how great it might be. 20190517 14:38:11<+wesdiscordbot> Don't worry, you can decide tomorrow when I upload it. 😀 20190517 14:38:51<+wesdiscordbot> Check the forum post. 20190517 14:39:44<+wesdiscordbot> I just wanted to suggest to put it on forums. 20190517 14:40:05<+wesdiscordbot> said forum post: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=49823 20190517 14:40:15<+wesdiscordbot> I'm in a hurry to get the message across since I have bad internet due to heavy rains these days. Don't know when it might stop. Isn't detailed posts to several people on it. 20190517 14:40:26<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks @Pentarctagon 20190517 14:42:13<+wesdiscordbot> Why don't you just ask some other member of your team to help you out with this? 20190517 14:42:35<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks good idea 20190517 15:34:05<+wesdiscordbot> what's the full name of EoMA? @Gweddeoran 20190517 15:34:57<+wesdiscordbot> Where's that from? 20190517 15:37:21<+wesdiscordbot> ahh my apologies 20190517 15:37:36<+wesdiscordbot> I confused who said that, nvm 20190517 15:38:05<+wesdiscordbot> Era of Magic probs 20190517 15:38:13<+wesdiscordbot> ahhh thanks 20190517 15:45:05-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190517 15:48:45<+wesdiscordbot> Just to put it across- This campaign is not completed just yet, and if you read my first post carefully, I am inviting coders to help us with me last two. This is meant to be something everyone contributes to and a campaign we can all call our own. I am very much open to suggestions. 20190517 15:53:50<+wesdiscordbot> yeah sorry, I think I am too sleepy, my question was about animations similar to fire emblem, sorry I confused you 20190517 15:54:55<+wesdiscordbot> No no, O wasn't referring to you, but others before your post 20190517 15:58:06<+wesdiscordbot> How long have you been developing this campaign? I'm curious. 20190517 15:59:35<+wesdiscordbot> 3 months or so, discounting development time by authors who already made their scenarios, eg: Defense of Elensefar, Drake's Rescue (now renamed to A Desperate Deliverance in this campaign) etc. 20190517 16:01:52<+wesdiscordbot> That's not that long. 20190517 16:03:05<+wesdiscordbot> I didn't account for their time, thing is, this idea has been around for years. I am trying to get it back up and running. It was broight up 2 years ago but development stopped suddenly, I don't how long that was. 20190517 16:05:08<+wesdiscordbot> Similar enough. 20190517 17:04:27<+wesdiscordbot> Hey guys, just a question. Do you organize tournaments or competitions lile that and/or are you guys interested? 20190517 17:07:14< Soliton> occasionally someone does, yes. you can see announcements etc in the forum. 20190517 17:25:27<+wesdiscordbot> Got it posted on the server. Turns out I had a utf-8 BOM file in the userdata which caused the crash. 20190517 17:30:56-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190517 17:33:35< Soliton> that should not cause a crash. perhaps a parser error/warning. 20190517 17:50:52<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, if a UMC campaign causes a crash, that's always a bug 20190517 17:50:57<+wesdiscordbot> please report to github 😃 20190517 18:02:12<+wesdiscordbot> sorry for this probable stupid question, but i am having issues since a long while now with the sound options "bell" on beginning turn. I do sometimes get it, and sometimes don't, more frequently not. It causes me appearing afk eventhough i just waiting for the bell. Can anyone explain me what I am doing wrong or how I get the bell to sound every beginnning turn, no matter what? 20190517 18:05:41<+wesdiscordbot> @ghype 1.14.8? windows, or what desktop environment? 20190517 18:06:13<+wesdiscordbot> also, is the "Pause music on focus loss" option checked? 20190517 18:06:13<+wesdiscordbot> and do you mean the audio bell or the tray notification balloon thing ? 20190517 18:07:31<+wesdiscordbot> 1.14.5 osx 20190517 18:08:17<+wesdiscordbot> all of my sound options are unticked (excetp "turn bell") 20190517 18:10:36<+wesdiscordbot> ok so apperently I have no sound at all at the moment. is it possible that wesnoth doesn't know that i am using a sound card? 20190517 18:11:47<+wesdiscordbot> you mean that you enabled the rest of the sound and there's still nothing? 20190517 18:12:13<+wesdiscordbot> yes 20190517 18:12:53<+wesdiscordbot> all my programs and browser have sound, only wesnoth not 20190517 18:13:18<+wesdiscordbot> if you restart wesnoth, does it still not have any sound? 20190517 18:13:55<+wesdiscordbot> I should try it. its not because of sound card as it doesnt work with the built in speakers either. 20190517 18:15:49<+wesdiscordbot> ok it works after restart, lets see if bell works 20190517 18:16:11<+wesdiscordbot> is there any bug known that could cause audio drops on osx? 20190517 18:19:05<+wesdiscordbot> I once had a no sound bug but that one also caused wesnoth to freeze when closed 20190517 20:48:08<+wesdiscordbot> @Gweddeoran I'd like to point out that the version numbering '1.0.0' is probably inaccurate since you said that 2 scenarios are still missing. 20190517 21:20:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190517 22:11:56-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Sat May 18 00:00:02 2019