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The stones that are summoning undead causes a 'healing' sound when summoning. I'm wondering whether it shouldn't be the sound a Lich causes when recruiting undead. 20190619 07:00:18<+wesdiscordbot> Hear for yourself. 20190619 07:00:18<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/590797991439499265/DM-Night_in_the_Swamp.gz 20190619 07:03:55-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 07:05:04-!- Necrosporus_ [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190619 07:09:01-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Excess Flood] 20190619 07:09:30-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 09:17:33-!- irker501 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 09:17:33< irker501> wesnoth/wesnoth:master sigurdfdragon 6f9b283d27 SotA S08: Remove incorrect wmllint unwho AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190619 10:14:08-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 10:47:18-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Excess Flood] 20190619 10:52:31-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 10:56:19-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190619 10:57:04-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190619 10:57:32-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 11:02:19-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190619 11:10:20-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190619 11:13:59-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 11:24:16-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 11:35:20-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 12:17:42-!- irker501 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190619 12:40:27-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 12:58:13-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|away 20190619 14:31:13-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190619 14:53:09-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 15:07:45-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190619 15:27:17-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 16:47:32-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190619 17:52:13-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 18:05:53<+wesdiscordbot> Why is there a 'Other versions and platforms' below the download link on the homepage? Following the link only shows you the save version for different platforms. 20190619 18:08:47<+wesdiscordbot> And btw, Wesnoth only really requires a mouse, right? (Keyboard is optional.) 20190619 18:09:45< Soliton> depends what you mean by that. you cannot do everything in wesnoth just with a mouse. 20190619 18:10:57-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 18:16:48< zookeeper> game-mechanically you can play all aspects of the game only with a mouse, sure? just no chatting, debug commands, typing in a filename when saving a map, etc. 20190619 18:17:18< Soliton> @Konrad2 see the "Checksums and other downloads" link. 20190619 18:18:19< Soliton> wait, that's also just stable. 20190619 18:18:36<+wesdiscordbot> Yep. Only 1.14.6, so not all that helpful. 20190619 18:19:13< Soliton> "SourceForge page for current and all previous versions" 20190619 18:19:28<+wesdiscordbot> Over there. Huh. 20190619 18:19:30< Soliton> well, not so easy to find admittedly. 20190619 18:19:41<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, that's true. xD 20190619 18:21:39<+wesdiscordbot> But I suppose it's not as important. If you do want an older version, then you are probably not new to wesnoth and you are likely to know how to get it anyway. And if you are new, then you wouldn't want an older version. You are certainly not missing an unreported addon. 20190619 18:21:46<+wesdiscordbot> *unported 20190619 18:22:08< Soliton> re the keyboard thing: even joining mp is difficult if you cannot type your username. 20190619 18:22:16<+wesdiscordbot> Btw, any comment on the sound I'm 'nagging' about? 20190619 18:22:58< Soliton> what you said makes sense. not going to listen to the sound here. 20190619 18:23:35<+wesdiscordbot> Soliton: True, though you probably could copy it together from the internet or program names. But I guess it would be really tedious. 20190619 18:24:06< Soliton> if you count that then you can do anything a keyboard can do with a mouse. 20190619 18:24:23< Soliton> might be easier to use an onscreen keyboard though. 20190619 18:26:43< Soliton> i'm guessing you're talking about the system requirements. we could add a note like "mouse is enough for pure gameplay" if we wanted. 20190619 18:27:50<+wesdiscordbot> How would you do ingame messages or activate the debug mode with just a mouse, even if you count copying? I was just remembering how my brother asked me years ago whether I even need the keyboard. 20190619 18:30:28-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190619 18:36:03< zookeeper> as for the undead sound, sure, something undead-related would surely work better. magic-dark, or wail, or even magicmissile, or whatever. 20190619 18:45:19-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 18:50:59<+wesdiscordbot> @Konrad2 you should bother sigurd about that, maybe make a github issue 20190619 18:51:09<+wesdiscordbot> the sound I mean 20190619 18:54:56<+wesdiscordbot> I'm planning to do so in about 10 minutes. :D 20190619 19:03:39-!- irker242 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 19:03:39< irker242> wesnoth/wesnoth:master newfrenchy83 2dc4e2dfd3 Update 08_Ur_Thorodor.cfg AppVeyor: vs2017/Release Failed 20190619 19:03:39< irker242> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-605wt/builds/25397477 20190619 19:50:42<+wesdiscordbot> Has any of you played DM somewhat recently? The end of S8 seems weird to me, it isn't even obvious that the scenario has ended, at least until a minute has passed without anything happening. 20190619 20:07:49<+wesdiscordbot> Whose idea was it to add DM btw? 20190619 20:18:27< zookeeper> ...a minute? the delays add up to a few seconds according to the WML. 20190619 20:22:14<+wesdiscordbot> The scenario is over, but it's so dark that I can't say for sure whether it's greyed out or not. 20190619 20:22:15<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/590999799247929345/delfador.png 20190619 20:24:38< zookeeper> ah, i see. 20190619 20:26:00< zookeeper> should be made to either have no linger mode or to remove the 3-step fadeout. 20190619 20:26:37< Soliton> the end scenario button shows that it's over though? perhaps not very clear. 20190619 20:31:40<+wesdiscordbot> The end scenario button tips you off after you notice nothing happened and you are starting to wonder if something went wrong. But usually the grey out is the main indicator of a scenario having ended. 20190619 20:33:15< Soliton> linger mode is not very useful if you can't see much anyway. as zookeeper said either remove that or the fadeout. 20190619 20:35:40< zookeeper> might as well show the carryover report too, despite the fact that a victory dialog is kind of out of place after the ending cutscene. it's still a normal scenario otherwise so you should be shown your carryover stuff. 20190619 20:36:40< zookeeper> ideally you'd end the scenario "normally" before the cutscene, which would then be part of the intro of the next scenario. should be possible to do now with [replace_map] and a bunch of other stuff. 20190619 20:43:48-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190619 20:45:45-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 20:47:32-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190619 21:12:25<+wesdiscordbot> @Konrad2 DM is one of ESR's campaigns, he probably added it himself 20190619 21:25:20<+wesdiscordbot> no, THoT was ESR's. DM and LoW were from santi 20190619 21:29:16-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190619 21:29:50-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 21:47:18<+wesdiscordbot> hmm I remember seeing his name in the credits, tho 20190619 21:47:22<+wesdiscordbot> so maybe he still was the one who added it 20190619 21:48:07<+wesdiscordbot> DM says it's from jp30, but I don't seem to recall that name :thonk: 20190619 21:48:16<+wesdiscordbot> [about] title= _ "Creator and Original Designer" [entry] name="Josh Parsons" wikiuser="jp30" comment="Original designer, responsible for first scenarios 2-10; maintained it up to 0.5.2" [/entry] [/about] [about] title= _ "Co-Authors" [entry] name="Oto 'tapik' Buchta" comment="First scenario, various improvements" 20190619 21:48:16<+wesdiscordbot> [/entry] [entry] name="Spiros Alexiou (Santi/fnaek)" comment="Scenarios 12 and following." [/entry] [entry] name="Eric S. Raymond (ESR)" comment="Prose- and script-doctoring, Wesnoth continuity fixes." [/entry] [/about] 20190619 21:48:28<+wesdiscordbot> oh I see, santi did after S12 20190619 22:03:55-!- irker242 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190619 22:32:49-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190619 22:53:51-!- wedge010 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190619 22:57:07-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190619 22:57:07-!- wedge010 is now known as wedge009 --- Log closed Thu Jun 20 00:00:06 2019