--- Log opened Fri Jun 14 00:00:49 2019 20190614 00:42:08-!- namad7 [aaaaa@pool-100-6-157-36.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 01:13:22-!- namad7 [aaaaa@pool-100-6-157-36.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190614 01:39:18<+wesdiscordbot> correct. other discords let u see offline people but not this one They stop being showed when there're too many user on the server. I don't know the exact value of the threshold, but it's no lower than 300. 20190614 02:11:41<+wesdiscordbot> It's 1000 if I'm not mistaken 20190614 02:55:22-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20190614 02:58:59-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 03:06:11-!- celmin [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 03:06:11-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20190614 03:06:11-!- celmin is now known as celticminstrel 20190614 03:22:06-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: elias, behalebabo 20190614 03:30:57-!- Netsplit over, joins: behalebabo 20190614 03:38:02-!- elias [~allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 03:49:46-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190614 07:26:16<+wesdiscordbot> Another question, after the Death of Konrad II and the end of Wesnoth silver ages, second wesnoth civil war begin, the question is, which faction fight in the civil war? Who is the winner and who ruled wesnoth after the second civil war? If the timeline is not created yet, then who do you guys think? I need all of your imagination 😂 And pls remind me if i do post in the right section, i don't want to violate any rules, 20190614 07:26:16<+wesdiscordbot> thanks guys! 20190614 08:01:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 08:39:45<+wesdiscordbot> AFAICT, nothing yet exists. So if you want to write a campaign in that timeline, you should feel free to fill it in 20190614 09:05:55<+wesdiscordbot> "Another question, after the Death of Konrad II and the end of Wesnoth silver ages, second wesnoth civil war begin, the question is, which faction fight in the civil war? Who is the winner and who ruled wesnoth after the second civil war?" What is ironically in this situation, I would ask @Konrad2 that question. He played a lot of campaigns. I mean, really a lot. 20190614 09:07:33<+wesdiscordbot> There is a silver age project from the russian community if I recall correctly. There is aslo 'Soldier of Wesnoth', which might play in that timeframe (there is a civil war), but I'd have to check that. 20190614 09:08:48<+wesdiscordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39123&hilit=soldier+of+wesnoth#p556998 Looks like SoW is in the right timeframe. 20190614 09:12:31<+wesdiscordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=44013&p=606937#p595978 https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=44855#p605389 20190614 09:13:01<+wesdiscordbot> Silver age project ^ 20190614 09:15:06<+wesdiscordbot> I can't recall any other campaigns about this, but some of the newer campaigns might be about it or some other campaign or forgot/didn't realize that it's about the Silver Ages/Civil war might exist. 20190614 09:21:22-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 09:30:42<+wesdiscordbot> @SkyRZ5 ^ 20190614 10:18:08-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190614 10:18:23-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 10:35:53<+wesdiscordbot> Uh wow nice, lookin into it now 👍 Thanks @Konrad2 20190614 10:37:07<+wesdiscordbot> Btw i was asking this question cause i'm also working on a UMC Campaign Project, the timeline was to be started after the second wesnoth civil war, right after the new ruler came in power 20190614 11:01:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190614 12:05:18-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 12:05:49-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 12:20:39<+wesdiscordbot> How many years has Wesnoth been stuck in the middle ages? 20190614 12:26:59< Soliton> not sure what you're asking. perhaps this helps: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Timeline_of_Wesnoth 20190614 12:43:27<+wesdiscordbot> 838 years apparently 20190614 12:44:40<+wesdiscordbot> 838+ 20190614 12:45:54<+wesdiscordbot> And then they all died. 20190614 12:46:01<+wesdiscordbot> So no renaissance Wesnoth? 20190614 12:47:18<+wesdiscordbot> they are being assailed on all directions by supernatural threats, no time for a renaissance 20190614 12:47:25<+wesdiscordbot> 😄 20190614 12:52:26<+wesdiscordbot> ikr, can't have prosperity during wartime. 20190614 12:53:31<+wesdiscordbot> But at least they should've developed some cool ways of killing themselves more efficiently 20190614 12:54:59<+wesdiscordbot> How come nobody copied the Dwarvish weapons? 20190614 12:55:27<+wesdiscordbot> They have some cool musketeers 20190614 12:57:14<+wesdiscordbot> black powder is a closely guarded secret 20190614 12:58:51-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|away 20190614 12:59:08<+wesdiscordbot> also, there's this post-apocalyptic timeline: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Future_History and then another one: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Thunderstone 20190614 12:59:34< celmin|away> I think you might be misunderstanding something... 20190614 12:59:54< celmin|away> You can totally have prosperity during wartime. 20190614 13:00:08< celmin|away> If you're on the front lines, okay, maybe not then. 20190614 13:00:36< celmin|away> Anyway maybe the whole "let's build another sun" thing was the renaissance Wesnoth. ;p 20190614 13:01:17< celmin|away> Also I don't really get the impression that they're assailed from all directions by supernatural threats, honestly. 20190614 13:01:26<+wesdiscordbot> or maybe the "let's build the third sun" was a failed attempt at a renaissance 20190614 13:01:27< celmin|away> Most of the threats are probably from the orcs. 20190614 13:01:51<+wesdiscordbot> History is not a lineary advance toward technology, we can't evaluate the evolution of a world like Wesnoth Besides, devastating wars can sometimes bring improvment in some matters, like it did after the 13th century 20190614 13:01:52<+wesdiscordbot> UtBS & IftU are both that 20190614 13:01:57< celmin|away> Sure there's also necromancers, but how common are they really? Probably no more than once a generation, and likely not even that, 20190614 13:02:31< celmin|away> Yeah, exactly, wartime can actually lead to a lot of progress in some areas. 20190614 13:02:33<+wesdiscordbot> 13th century? When the crusaders looted constantinople? 20190614 13:02:44<+wesdiscordbot> 14th* 20190614 13:03:40<+wesdiscordbot> [15:01] BOTIRC Bridge: Sure there's also necromancers, but how common are they really? Probably no more than once a generation, and likely not even that, according to mainline campaigns, there is at least a pair of those fuckers in every fucking swamp in all fucking wesnoth 20190614 13:05:49<+wesdiscordbot> well, we can assume that most of them don't amount to much 20190614 13:05:57<+wesdiscordbot> It can indeed. 20190614 13:05:58< celmin|away> Sounds unlikely, but really away now, sorry 20190614 13:05:58<+wesdiscordbot> and some of them may simply want to be left alone 20190614 13:06:04<+wesdiscordbot> 14th century = crusades fails, christians and mongols are definitely expelled by the muslims, so trade go up for the italians cities the great plague aftermath bring sanitary improvment and agricol technology development, aristocray renovellment the hundred year war's lead to an increase in """""state"""" (in a non-marxist employ) developpement and military weapon (gunpowder) 20190614 13:06:25<+wesdiscordbot> Without the WWs we wouln't have modern medicine. 20190614 13:07:45<+wesdiscordbot> 15:06] Hellen: Without the WWs we wouln't have modern medicine. to be clear, without the nazi's and their experimentations we got by the worst possible way into modern medecine 20190614 13:08:05<+wesdiscordbot> WW2 mainly just accelerated lots of technology that was in its infancy by throwing buckets of money at it 20190614 13:08:09<+wesdiscordbot> But all the people hitting orcs with pointy sticks could be working fields and getting food for more people or going to the university 20190614 13:08:19<+wesdiscordbot> i had a class (i don't know if the traduction is appropriate?) on that subject and it was realy disgusting 20190614 13:09:28<+wesdiscordbot> World wars just accelerated the timetables. Military crash programs rarely make stuff up out of the whole cloth. They take stuff that is being worked on, quadruple the staff and throw money at them until they make something cool. 20190614 13:10:20<+wesdiscordbot> [15:08] Hellen: But all the people hitting orcs with pointy sticks could be working fields and getting food for more people or going to the university and magic/artifacts means a lot of power/means of developpement can be concentrated within a restricated circle of apprentices, i won't improvise myself world-historian but I think it would be easy to justify a stagnation in technology/social change by that means and, 20190614 13:10:20<+wesdiscordbot> well, there IS differents species with different life style and attributions in the Wesnoth World, which means antagonism and adversities are not limited to the class-divided human society 20190614 13:17:44<+wesdiscordbot> if the people gaining lots of power (the mages in this case) are far enough removed from food production (they're used to being provided for), then an increase in their power might not have much effect on overall development at all 20190614 13:18:05<+wesdiscordbot> the same fraction of the population will still be needed to feed it 20190614 13:19:13<+wesdiscordbot> I mean, sure, if they double the life expectancy of the peasants with healin gmagic, then the portion of the life of a peasant that's productive (and thereby the average production of the peasantry) will increase 20190614 13:19:36<+wesdiscordbot> which then frees up part of the population for other purposes 20190614 13:20:53<+wesdiscordbot> but if a mage spends most of his time researching magic and competing with other mages, he might add competive power, but he doesn't really add value 20190614 13:22:04<+wesdiscordbot> To add value, design a better plough, better irrigation, ways of fending off pests. 20190614 13:36:23<+wesdiscordbot> Guys, another question, how big the continent of Wesnoth is? 20190614 13:38:02<+wesdiscordbot> I mean there's the sea and haldric Home on the far east, but how about the far north, east and south? 20190614 13:38:25<+wesdiscordbot> Sorry, far west for haldric home* 20190614 13:59:24<+wesdiscordbot> there's some info in the in-game help, in the encyclopedia 20190614 14:03:18<+wesdiscordbot> Extremely rough prototype map: http://oi35.tinypic.com/211p4is.jpg 20190614 14:03:30<+wesdiscordbot> unfortunately, the later versions appear to have been lost to shitty hosting 20190614 14:09:36<+wesdiscordbot> Has someone ever seen the other side of the continent? 20190614 14:09:52<+wesdiscordbot> Lewis and Clark 20190614 14:10:04<+wesdiscordbot> Elvish Sacagawea and Westonian Lewis and Clark 20190614 14:11:14<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/589094490720043008/6994ea583c63a50bc5e630d414a5d01a.png 20190614 14:18:46<+wesdiscordbot> This thread contains other bits and pieces: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31838 20190614 14:19:14<+wesdiscordbot> but only the bits north of wesnoth are official through SotBE 20190614 14:20:30<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/589096818567151641/file.png 20190614 14:21:43<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/589097126181470208/021Igqt.jpg 20190614 14:22:15<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/589097263100461155/vesnoth.jpg 20190614 14:22:30<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/589097325843054602/fareast.png 20190614 14:23:17<+wesdiscordbot> where did you find that one? 20190614 14:23:27<+wesdiscordbot> and is it good resolution? 20190614 14:24:19<+wesdiscordbot> I had found a thumbnail with a broken link 20190614 14:25:36<+wesdiscordbot> postimage has lots its stuff, imageshack always loses its stuff, hotfile (used for XCF) has been taken down by the mpaa.... 20190614 14:35:29<+wesdiscordbot> i had saved them back in the day for worldbuilding, and that i did not want to clash with any of existing umc 20190614 14:36:00<+wesdiscordbot> first one is 1785 x 1953 20190614 14:40:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 14:44:14<+wesdiscordbot> I did a lot of searching today, and couldn't find them 20190614 14:44:59<+wesdiscordbot> if you can send these to me (both PNG and XCF if you can), I'll store them in the (mostly defunct) wesnoth-umc-dev svn resources branch 20190614 14:45:20<+wesdiscordbot> what ive attached here is everything ive got, sorry 20190614 14:45:50<+wesdiscordbot> you can click on picture -> open original, then right-click save as 20190614 14:46:08<+wesdiscordbot> well, it's more than we had, so it's still an improvement 20190614 14:49:14<+wesdiscordbot> https://sourceforge.net/p/wesnoth-umc-dev/code/20059/ 20190614 15:08:05<+wesdiscordbot> are those even canon 20190614 15:12:29<+wesdiscordbot> nothing east of the sandy wastes is 20190614 15:15:34<+wesdiscordbot> so just reference maps 20190614 15:37:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190614 15:55:43<+wesdiscordbot> So its not canon? 20190614 15:56:24<+wesdiscordbot> But if they ever made it canon, God, that's a very very big continent 20190614 16:10:47<+wesdiscordbot> they are non-canon, and any attempts at expanding the continent have been shot-down or dismissed 20190614 16:19:09<+wesdiscordbot> expanding the continent is fine but needs some campaign or in game lore to support it 20190614 16:40:35<+wesdiscordbot> there can be more than one continent 20190614 16:43:00<+wesdiscordbot> A third one? 20190614 16:50:52<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454745224007122954/589133543263830016/-.webp By the way, is the localized logo a 1.14.6 or 1.14.7 feature? I don’t recall seeing one in 1.14.5. 20190614 16:51:40< Soliton> probably there since at least 1.12. 20190614 16:52:06< Soliton> of course your translation needs to provide the file. 20190614 16:57:36<+wesdiscordbot> Btw little out of topics, i just browse the wesnoth faction and era wiki and they put some UMC in there too like the Imperial Era and the Free Saurian Faction. Also, i find that some UMC like Invasion from the Unknown also considered as Wesnoth Mainline according to the Timeline page, is that because the campaign was part of the dev team job or is it just too great and do have the same perfect timeline as the Under the Burning 20190614 16:57:37<+wesdiscordbot> sun then they decided to count it inside the canon timeline too? 20190614 17:09:58-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 18:47:59<+wesdiscordbot> Invasion from the Unknown was considered for mainline but the creator, shadowm (Iris), refused, at least, thats what the story is if i recall correctly, i suggest you ask her just to be sure 20190614 19:45:58<+wesdiscordbot> some of us count it as mainline because it fits in with mainline lore and is executed really well 20190614 19:46:25<+wesdiscordbot> also iftu was originally supposed to be in mainline as well, but that fell through 20190614 20:13:15-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E511FAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 20:14:11<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, its great 20190614 20:16:42-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190614 20:18:43-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 20:26:24<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.twitch.tv/malcolmrosegaming we're starting the cast stream soon -- sorry about the delay, technical difficulties with wesnoth 1.12 20190614 20:52:34-!- aeth_ [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 20:54:51-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190614 20:55:28-!- aeth_ is now known as aeth 20190614 20:56:14-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190614 20:57:51<+wesdiscordbot> my game died after I killed the think beyond the black river 20190614 20:57:52<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/589196819863568387/unknown.png 20190614 20:58:24<+wesdiscordbot> mr. ? took the game with him kekeke 20190614 20:59:11<+wesdiscordbot> Mal M'Brin's revenge? 20190614 20:59:25<+wesdiscordbot> (that's TSG right?) 20190614 21:35:28-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190614 21:37:38-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20190614 21:37:46<+wesdiscordbot> Looks like it. 20190614 21:38:10<+wesdiscordbot> Might be have been Choice in the Fog(?). 20190614 21:40:06<+wesdiscordbot> Hi 20190614 21:40:17<+wesdiscordbot> hello 20190614 21:42:58<+wesdiscordbot> Days passing by slowly here in Wesnoth aren't they? 20190614 21:58:10-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190614 22:01:20<+wesdiscordbot> celticminstrel: you told me i should never use word genetically, but what about GMOs or genetically modified organisms? and in any case what would i use instead as an alternative? sorry i just hope i wasnt offensive and i do not want to do that to anyone 20190614 22:03:20<+wesdiscordbot> Why bring that up in a group chat if you aren’t looking for trouble. That seems like something you should discuss in dm’s 20190614 22:04:39<+wesdiscordbot> because he doesnt have a discord and i do not have an iirc @rohiik 20190614 22:04:42<+wesdiscordbot> i think 20190614 22:04:51<+wesdiscordbot> Ah, fair enough 20190614 22:04:57<+wesdiscordbot> 👍 20190614 22:09:29<+wesdiscordbot> i apologize if you were concerned at first 20190614 22:36:35<+wesdiscordbot> @BabylonAS no, that was choice in the fog lich's name was simplyh ? 20190614 22:40:23<+wesdiscordbot> the cave scenario was such a grind had this song playing in my head nonstop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmljtVrxul0 20190614 22:40:58<+wesdiscordbot> as my veterans fell and I threw more elves into the meatgrinder 20190614 22:47:55<+wesdiscordbot> my advance was the growing of a mighty tree, one hex at a time, but no skeleton could stop it 20190614 22:56:51<+wesdiscordbot> @Disnag Burnazog So you sided with the elves against the humans? What's the version of wesnoth? Is there anything in the log fi le? 20190614 23:37:43-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Sat Jun 15 00:00:51 2019