--- Log opened Fri Jun 28 00:00:56 2019 20190628 01:07:07-!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190628 01:09:09-!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 01:14:01<+wesdiscordbot> @Rio Sempre what is the white power faction if we are getting political? 20190628 01:14:29<+wesdiscordbot> and who is the jews faction? @Rio Sempre guide us, as we already know about communism 20190628 01:14:49<+wesdiscordbot> Jewish people aren't really united politically 20190628 01:15:12<+wesdiscordbot> hmmm I see, maybe is middle earth fantasy 20190628 01:15:45<+wesdiscordbot> Though if you look at Tolkien and a lot of older authors, Jewish people were traditionally represented by the dwarves 20190628 01:15:55<+wesdiscordbot> LMAO 20190628 01:15:59<+wesdiscordbot> you gonna use tolkien 20190628 01:16:09<+wesdiscordbot> to infuse IRL politic opinion on middle earth? 20190628 01:16:27<+wesdiscordbot> It's not related to politics, actually 20190628 01:16:28<+wesdiscordbot> he was VERY outspoken about being against people doing what u do 20190628 01:16:45<+wesdiscordbot> people tried to make lord of the rings political many times 20190628 01:16:59<+wesdiscordbot> Even in my original post I used "communists" to refer to particular countries under communist regimes, not the ideology itself 20190628 01:17:09<+wesdiscordbot> yo 20190628 01:17:12<+wesdiscordbot> is not just a place for you to infuse your IRL politics and subversion 20190628 01:17:15<+wesdiscordbot> stop right there, criminal scum! 20190628 01:17:29<+wesdiscordbot> don't talk about politics here :p 20190628 01:17:59<+wesdiscordbot> When I said "Rebels are the communist faction" I meant "the Rebel fighting style, focusing on guerilla warfare and protracted defense, is reminiscent of the militaries of 20th century socialist states, such as Vietnam and the Soviet Union" 20190628 01:18:08<+wesdiscordbot> yah yah, history is fine 20190628 01:18:20<+wesdiscordbot> wtf 20190628 01:18:31<+wesdiscordbot> lmao 20190628 01:18:33<+wesdiscordbot> But the whole "dwarves are Jewish" is not even political 20190628 01:18:48<+wesdiscordbot> The dwarf language designed by Tolkien was based on Hebrew 20190628 01:18:53<+wesdiscordbot> is that why people don't starve when they play as rebels? 20190628 01:19:01<+wesdiscordbot> because is fantasy? 20190628 01:19:10<+wesdiscordbot> communism can work if we use magic? 20190628 01:19:13<+wesdiscordbot> kek 20190628 01:20:03<+wesdiscordbot> the no politics rule is sort of a soft one 20190628 01:20:42<+wesdiscordbot> using historical examples, or comparing to historical stuff is fine 20190628 01:20:54<+wesdiscordbot> @Sheebom incinerator "The dwarves of course are quite obviously, wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic, obviously, constructed to be Semitic." - Gerrolt, Dennis Now Read On... interview BBC, 1971 20190628 01:20:57<+wesdiscordbot> His words, not mine 20190628 01:21:20<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20190628 01:21:33<+wesdiscordbot> who's words gerrolt? 20190628 01:21:37<+wesdiscordbot> who tf is gerrolt 20190628 01:21:52<+wesdiscordbot> The man interviewing Tolkien, I assume 20190628 01:22:09<+wesdiscordbot> I wonder why he had them speak with a scottish accent when speaking in english then 20190628 01:22:23<+wesdiscordbot> WAsn't that a later invention? 20190628 01:22:28<+wesdiscordbot> I said it before, tolkien dealt with many many many journos trying to push agendas at his work. Gerrolt is just another one 20190628 01:22:37<+wesdiscordbot> hmmmmmmmmmm 20190628 01:22:47<+wesdiscordbot> not sure 20190628 01:22:50<+wesdiscordbot> you just ignored that and quoted one of the subversives 20190628 01:23:16<+wesdiscordbot> What Tolkien was against was assigning political meaning to the story itself. It is pretty obvious however that the peoples of Middle Earth have historical parallels 20190628 01:24:31<+wesdiscordbot> For example, hobbits obviously represent rural England 20190628 01:25:36<+wesdiscordbot> Rohirrim are more similar to ancient Anglo-Saxons 20190628 01:25:37<+wesdiscordbot> Etc 20190628 01:25:48<+wesdiscordbot> " I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride." - Tolkien on a letter about him being aryan 20190628 01:25:53<+wesdiscordbot> those are TOLKIEN words 20190628 01:26:07<+wesdiscordbot> So? 20190628 01:26:21<+wesdiscordbot> so tolkien didn't like this shit u are doing 20190628 01:26:33<+wesdiscordbot> Dude 20190628 01:26:46<+wesdiscordbot> Are you going to deny that the hobbits are based on rural England too? 20190628 01:27:05<+wesdiscordbot> and is hilarious u used him as an example to be the one that pushes politics into middle earth and fantasy 20190628 01:27:14<+wesdiscordbot> considering he was very outspoken against that 20190628 01:27:16<+wesdiscordbot> What is political in Jewish culture? 20190628 01:27:22<+wesdiscordbot> It's just a culture. 20190628 01:27:38<+wesdiscordbot> the fuck 20190628 01:27:48<+wesdiscordbot> has that question to do with what I'm saying 20190628 01:27:53<+wesdiscordbot> If we were to consider culture political, then what would an apolitical work of fantasy be like? A completely invented world with no real life inspirations? 20190628 01:27:55<+wesdiscordbot> Duuude 20190628 01:28:03<+wesdiscordbot> I was not infusing politics into anything 20190628 01:28:08<+wesdiscordbot> History, yes 20190628 01:28:17<+wesdiscordbot> Culture, yes 20190628 01:28:21<+wesdiscordbot> >rebels are communists 20190628 01:28:28<+wesdiscordbot> >uh excuse me nothing polical 20190628 01:28:33<+wesdiscordbot> >no sir, 20190628 01:28:36<+wesdiscordbot> Again, what is political in history? 20190628 01:28:54<+wesdiscordbot> dude, I'm not even gonna bother 20190628 01:28:57<+wesdiscordbot> I am not implying their ideology has anything to do with Marxism 20190628 01:29:06<+wesdiscordbot> Nor that they are meant to be some sort of metaphor for Marxist ideology 20190628 01:29:13<+wesdiscordbot> They just fight like the Viet Cong for me 20190628 01:29:30<+wesdiscordbot> A mixture of the Viet Cong and the Red Army 20190628 01:47:31< celmin|away> WTH 20190628 01:47:38-!- celmin|away is now known as celticminstrel 20190628 01:57:08<+wesdiscordbot> I was rereading things and I realized that I was overeacting 20190628 01:57:19<+wesdiscordbot> it was just talking about the army and I thought it was a defense for communism 20190628 02:11:22<+wesdiscordbot> keep it civil, guys 20190628 03:03:13<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190628 03:19:15-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190628 04:03:36<+wesdiscordbot> Well as a christian, I will never warm up to communism, but I totally respect it if people do:) 20190628 04:08:05<+wesdiscordbot> My beliefs are mostly based on the bible 20190628 06:23:56<+wesdiscordbot> @Sheebom incinerator#5409 20190628 07:20:00<+wesdiscordbot> apolitical fantasy is probably not possible, just like apolitical fiction is difficult to conceive of pol·i·tics /ˈpäləˌtiks/ Learn to pronounce noun the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power. it's even good that fiction contains politics, having some semblance to the real world where 20190628 07:20:00<+wesdiscordbot> politics are very much a thing only helps readers to read it 20190628 07:22:01<+wesdiscordbot> where do the ideas that northerners are reactionaries and undead bourgeoisie come from though 20190628 07:24:42<+wesdiscordbot> also depending on the matchup and map you may see elves take a more proactive approach 20190628 07:25:38<+wesdiscordbot> e.g. vs drakes 20190628 08:26:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 08:31:17<+wesdiscordbot> undead are the 1% of wizard class that rules over bajillion proletarian zombies :^) 20190628 08:31:29<+wesdiscordbot> man this is dumb 20190628 11:27:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190628 12:48:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 13:13:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 14:04:08-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 14:34:04<+wesdiscordbot> i thought we weren't allowed to talk about politics here ... 20190628 14:34:13<+wesdiscordbot> weird ... 20190628 14:35:38<+wesdiscordbot> yea 20190628 14:36:18<+wesdiscordbot> and i got muted for something way less serious ... 20190628 14:36:55<+wesdiscordbot> https://tenor.com/view/sus-fry-futurama-gif-4691459 20190628 14:57:52-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 15:50:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190628 16:59:40-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190628 17:15:08-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 17:32:23<+wesdiscordbot> will be casting another game with @Hardwood around 4pm EST here -- https://www.twitch.tv/malcolmrosegaming -- that's in about 2.5 hours 20190628 17:32:42<+wesdiscordbot> (until then I might stream some chess or dcss or something) 20190628 17:36:12<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi are you around rn 20190628 17:36:27<+wesdiscordbot> or any other @Forum Mods I guess 20190628 17:36:56<+wesdiscordbot> Hm? 20190628 17:37:09<+wesdiscordbot> will pm 20190628 17:45:13<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/594221775135440916/darkestgobbo.jpg 20190628 17:45:14<+wesdiscordbot> hot off the meme presses btw 20190628 17:50:56<+wesdiscordbot> @Rose I'm not a forum mod 😮 20190628 17:51:13<+wesdiscordbot> although I can help if you like 20190628 17:51:23<+wesdiscordbot> if it's within my powah 20190628 18:08:09<+wesdiscordbot> "powah" ... 20190628 18:08:10<+wesdiscordbot> really? 20190628 18:12:11<+wesdiscordbot> shoots lightning from hands 20190628 18:12:51<+wesdiscordbot> https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-crown-queen-princess-ownit-gif-4897467 20190628 18:54:56<+wesdiscordbot> :sof: 20190628 20:02:19<+wesdiscordbot> is the twitch site broken for anyone else ? 20190628 20:04:55<+wesdiscordbot> looks fine for me 20190628 20:07:19<+wesdiscordbot> I get just the purple top bar and nothing else 20190628 20:07:34<+wesdiscordbot> if I zoom out I see parts of the page within the purple top bar 20190628 20:08:01<+wesdiscordbot> Ah, never mind, it's an extension 20190628 20:20:01<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.twitch.tv/malcolmrosegaming starting stream for wesnoth within the next couple minutes! 20190628 20:20:10<+wesdiscordbot> casting games 20190628 20:29:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190628 20:59:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190628 21:39:40-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190628 22:48:15<+wesdiscordbot> great work @Rose ! 20190628 22:50:13<+wesdiscordbot> thanks! wouldn't be nearly as good without @Hardwood co-casting 20190628 22:50:31<+wesdiscordbot> great work @Rose @Hardwood ! 20190628 22:50:55<+wesdiscordbot> lol fast answers 😃 20190628 22:51:18<+wesdiscordbot> great work tho 20190628 22:51:31<+wesdiscordbot> perhaps you can comment game gnidaoLer VS Owarida 20190628 22:51:35<+wesdiscordbot> 47 turns of hell 20190628 22:51:40<+wesdiscordbot> 2 lvl 3 units 20190628 22:52:32-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190628 22:58:07<+wesdiscordbot> ah yes 20190628 22:58:17<+wesdiscordbot> that was an interesting one 20190628 22:58:26<+wesdiscordbot> we actually have one long game that was suggested a while back 20190628 22:58:34<+wesdiscordbot> I forgot how long it was exactly but it was longer 20190628 23:05:04-!- psymin [~psymin@69.146.8.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190628 23:08:14<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190628 23:08:21<+wesdiscordbot> who against whom? 20190628 23:10:48<+wesdiscordbot> i dont even remember tbh 20190628 23:10:49<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190628 23:10:55<+wesdiscordbot> we havent gotten around to it yet obviously 20190628 23:54:05-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Sat Jun 29 00:00:58 2019