--- Log opened Sun Jun 30 00:00:59 2019 20190630 00:05:09<+wesdiscordbot> the 'current meta' is not a good term for Wesnoth 20190630 00:05:14<+wesdiscordbot> Wesnoth strategy has not changes in many years 20190630 00:05:40<+wesdiscordbot> and its never been about footpad/ulf spam being unbeatable, just that it is simply too good 20190630 00:06:24<+wesdiscordbot> im sure you could find many games around 2011 and 2012 from high skill players on the ladder playing the matchup to get an idea 20190630 00:06:28<+wesdiscordbot> game literally hasnt changed since then 20190630 00:09:01<+wesdiscordbot> also, and i hope that goes without saying, but playing the game competitively is vastly different from observing games 20190630 00:09:04<+wesdiscordbot> I find it difficult to believe that coming from a player who left the community for six years. How would you know that Wesnoth strategy has not changed, if you haven't played the game? 20190630 00:09:39<+wesdiscordbot> the game hasnt changed in those 6 years. there is no meta in wesnoth. 20190630 00:10:40<+wesdiscordbot> It should also go without saying that competitive players are not highly skilled simply by virtue of the format that they play in 20190630 00:11:43<+wesdiscordbot> agreed on that 20190630 00:24:52<+wesdiscordbot> Why don't you unblock me, by the way, Cackfiend? Since you have gone to the trouble clicking on my messages to read them. 20190630 00:27:35<+wesdiscordbot> so you can spam pm me with anime pictures when im trying to have a serious conversation with you? no thanks 20190630 00:28:37<+wesdiscordbot> Hm, I remember no conversation of value, perhaps that is why I sent you pictures? You're welcome 20190630 00:29:52<+wesdiscordbot> not that I recommend flaming each other, but if ya have beef, take it elsewhere 20190630 00:30:17<+wesdiscordbot> sure thing 20190630 00:30:38<+wesdiscordbot> I just wanted to save him some trouble of clicking on my messages each time. 20190630 00:31:06<+wesdiscordbot> 👍 20190630 01:19:15<+wesdiscordbot> 🍿 hey guys I'm here for - oh, I missed it 20190630 01:33:15<+wesdiscordbot> >.> 20190630 01:40:16<+wesdiscordbot> 🍿 20190630 04:32:36-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The minstrel departs, to spread the music to the masses!] 20190630 05:06:14-!- psymin [~psymin@host-69-146-224-142.static.bresnan.net] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 05:30:59-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190630 05:55:55<+wesdiscordbot> I mean to be as honest as possible when I say I would never expect hardwood to send anime pictures in a serious conversation with anyone, and if he did then it is just an example of the theme of nonserious elements stowing from an overarching serious setting 😅 20190630 06:05:44<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/594770523364261948/unknown.png 20190630 06:21:11<+wesdiscordbot> aahhh xDD that is really cute! 🥰😘😍❤️😊 hehehe XD 20190630 06:21:22-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 06:23:49<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/594775071172722691/unknown.png 20190630 06:27:21<+wesdiscordbot> Wha?? XDD 20190630 06:27:49<+wesdiscordbot> You are such a silly guy xD (dont worry, i mean that in a good way!!) i hope i didnt offend u when i said that 20190630 06:27:55<+wesdiscordbot> ...please let me know if i did 20190630 06:28:34<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/594776266482122793/unknown.png 20190630 06:30:18<+wesdiscordbot> awwww! 🥰😁😁😁 20190630 06:30:22<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/594776717625786392/unknown.png 20190630 06:31:00<+wesdiscordbot> Uh, sorry i guess? XDD i do not know the subtext? 20190630 06:31:04<+wesdiscordbot> haha xD 20190630 06:31:17<+wesdiscordbot> 😇 20190630 07:21:22-!- psymin [~psymin@host-69-146-224-142.static.bresnan.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190630 08:08:05<+wesdiscordbot> @Hardwood regarding the UD-Knalgans match-up. I hust watched the cast. Don't you think that Matyi was really lucky with zombies? We had a conversation with @josteph regarding the luck statistics. He recently added actual/expected strike stats in addition to the already existing actual/expected damage stats. My point was that damage stats is more about luck comparing to strike stats. Because luck is not only RNG values, but 20190630 08:08:06<+wesdiscordbot> also how important was the particular RNG result. Hit with Dwarvish Thunderer thunderstick and miss with Dwarvish Guardsman javelin has the same chances as miss with thunderstick and hit with javelin. The strike stats will be the same for the both cases. However, the former case may be considered much luckier than the latter. Thus, the damage stats will not show that. However, don't you think that Matyi was really lucky with turning 20190630 08:08:06<+wesdiscordbot> enemies into zombies? P.S. It will sound too nerdy, but in our discussion with <@348530951690649601> I ended up saying "preferable outcome of an RNG result" to make it clear that RNG and luck are not exactly the same. 20190630 08:18:41<+wesdiscordbot> And that is why I prefer not to rely on replays too much. 20190630 08:21:32<+wesdiscordbot> It would be really tricky to calculate chances of the zombie apocalypse. There are many pitfalls. E.g. you should consider not only chances of killing an enemy with a zombie, but also harming (but not killing) the enemy to the point when it may be killed by a zombie. Zombie apocalypse has a snowball effect. It is essential to be lucky at the initial stages. When the critical mass of zombies is gained the luck is not really 20190630 08:21:33<+wesdiscordbot> important. I think that is what happened there. 20190630 08:22:07<+wesdiscordbot> @Hejnewar what do you prefer to rely on? 20190630 08:46:14<+wesdiscordbot> He absolutely was very lucky with his hits - and not just the walking corpses @sergey however, going for zombies was a good choice, and I think it showed how strong they can be against outlaw-heavy compositions 20190630 08:46:58<+wesdiscordbot> Ofc, it is not a conclusive demonstration, and I am not claiming it as one 20190630 09:19:36<+wesdiscordbot> @sergey I prefer to rely on facts that change very rarely and create environment and meta of this game. Statistics of units. Maybe thier in-depth analysis isn't super simple but after a year of doing that I will stick with that. Also it saves a lot of time during playtests if you are starting from pretty much 0 because you can actually playtest things instead of searching for cheeses etc. 20190630 10:01:25<+wesdiscordbot> @Hejnewar Provide more details about the unit stats analysis please. 20190630 10:13:19<+wesdiscordbot> You take unit and compare it's statistics to statistics of 43-(number of units in faction of chosen unit). 20190630 10:31:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 11:09:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190630 11:16:45<+wesdiscordbot> 43 is the total number of units of all factions of the default era? 20190630 11:17:12<+wesdiscordbot> How exactly do you perform the comparison? 20190630 12:23:06-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 14:05:19<+wesdiscordbot> Man i'm having problems remembering 20190630 14:05:26<+wesdiscordbot> What was that huge campaign caled with Efraim and Lethalia? 20190630 14:05:32<+wesdiscordbot> what was its name 20190630 14:08:04<+wesdiscordbot> Legends of the Invincibles 20190630 14:09:45<+wesdiscordbot> @Smiley J ☝ 20190630 14:09:57<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks fam 20190630 14:10:06<+wesdiscordbot> I was thinking that i need to install Battle for Wesnoth on this laptop 20190630 14:10:08<+wesdiscordbot> Since my PC borked 20190630 14:10:24<+wesdiscordbot> But I dunno if I'll try Legends of the Invincibles again tho, even if I haven't completed the last 4 chapters 20190630 14:10:34<+wesdiscordbot> Quite frankly, I'm about done with those god damn demons 20190630 14:32:06<+wesdiscordbot> It's hard to explain that in a way that wouldn't create more questions. I'm currently working on field research project for a whole week so my time is limited. I can say that I'm doing that using just analogy and math. @sergey 20190630 14:40:51<+wesdiscordbot> @Hejnewar I would like to know more about the units comparison that you perform, once you will have more time. Good luck with the project! 20190630 14:44:25-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 15:41:27-!- TC01 [~quassel@mobile-166-171-56-103.mycingular.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190630 15:41:49-!- TC01 [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 16:57:33-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190630 17:07:45-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20190630 17:46:38-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 18:12:20-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 18:30:34-!- Haudegen [~quassel@213162068239.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 18:37:23<+wesdiscordbot> Fact of the Day 20190630 18:37:25<+wesdiscordbot> There was a bear called Wojtek who was adopted by Polish soldiers during WW2. It carried ammunition, wrestled with soldiers, and drank beer. 20190630 18:38:44<+wesdiscordbot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(bear) 20190630 18:53:22<+wesdiscordbot> bears can be petted 20190630 18:53:38<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRBK9WuJnI 20190630 18:55:42<+wesdiscordbot> Wojtek copied the other soldiers, drinking beer, … … … wondering what can happen if your pet is drunk 20190630 19:02:52<+wesdiscordbot> drunk bear sounds pretty dangerous 20190630 19:05:35<+wesdiscordbot> There is ufc fighter named Khabib Nurmagomedov who has a video where he wrestles a juvenile bear as a kid 20190630 19:08:14<+wesdiscordbot> ufc fighting is a wonderful sport! 20190630 19:10:32<+wesdiscordbot> There is one guy who trained by letting people come on his farm where they trained fighting each other 20190630 19:12:09<+wesdiscordbot> He was always an averageish level until he had a kid, then after that he sprung to the top because raising the kid forced him to put more focus in his life. its donald cerrone 20190630 20:34:10-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 20:36:45-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190630 20:38:16-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20190630 20:47:57-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190630 20:50:24-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 21:06:18-!- Haudegen [~quassel@213162068239.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190630 21:16:39-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20190630 21:51:11-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 22:02:14-!- sodastab [~menche@unaffiliated/menche] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 22:52:58-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190630 22:53:30-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 23:11:11-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190630 23:13:49-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190630 23:32:33-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Jul 01 00:00:02 2019